No. There are a number of interesting theories as to how the Egyptians could move the stones of the pyramids vertically and from the place they were quarried. The coolest involves simple physics. Check out the website (with video) of this retired construction worker from Michigan. It’s amazing how this guy moves multi-ton stones by himself. Yeah, I bought his CD, too, so I could watch the full videos. You should, too, if you want to ward off the alien astronaut crowd (“Nobody I know could have thought of this technology, so it must be aliens”). Yeah.
Did the Egyptians Need Alien Technology to Build the Pyramids?
Interesting and impressive. Putting this together with the evidence of gigantism (not that all were giants at the time or that all giant beings put into place the great wonders of the ancient world) makes it all more conceivable.
But, no, no aliens….
This reminds me of what the Greek philosopher Archimedes would say that if he had a large enough lever, he could move the world. So I suppose that it is not a matter of advanced technology, but rather simple logic and creativity.
@neoargon: yep
LOL this is so lame!!!!! this proves nothing yawn!
@11truthplease11: yeah, the alien evidence is so much more persuasive. . . just what would that be . . . ? Really compelling reply.
Research about the new 2010 DNA tests of the Starchild Skull(Human-alien hybrid)/The Disclosure Project: The Truth about UFO`s/Project Grudge/Project Blue Book/Zero-Point Energy/Cold Fusion/Anti-Gravity Propulsion
yeah – show me the peer-reviewed published material; then I’ll care.
Watched the construction worker …he did one stone…on the ground…not 100 meters high weighing 40 kilos…and how do you explain Prof Michel Barsoum a distinguished professor in the Department of Materials Science and Engineering at Drexel University findings in late 2007 that Egyptians used NANO-TECHNOLOGY in the POURED LIMESTONE BLOCKS …the one that lined the Great Pyramid? …not mined from near quarrys as had been taught for years !
If not alien technology….What then? Hard scientific proof ….of VERY ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY….we…didn’t discover nano-technnolgy until the 1970s.
THIS HAS BEEN PEER-REVIEWED BY SCIENTISTS from all ove the World!
think about it…
Robert A.
uh… no one is saying that ONE method accounts for all the pyramid construction. The Egyptians didn’t knowingly use nanotechnology, like they were constructing nanobots, either. The poured limestone theory has been around for a while (Joseph Davidovits). It’s about chemistry. And they certainly could have poured some stones (it’s actually very simple — there are videos of it on YouTube). As for the raising of the blocks, it’s not difficult using Wallington’s technology. His “Egyptian hoist” built to larger scale could do it – or one could just disassemble and re-assemble the hoist at different levels of the construction project. Using his methods of leverage and counterweight along with pouring and dragging (ramps), the pyramid construction is readily accounted for.
Where’s the mystery? Think about that.
Giants…Nephilim.
and where is the evidence that giants…nephilim built the pyramids (or even that such was necessary)?
Unfortunately, the normal theory of pyramid construction could not have physically happened. Even with modern technology, and perfect unison of workers (which would have been impossible back then using their communication techniques). Allow me to explain.
Sources state that the Great Pyramid of Giza was built in 20 years. It contains approximately 2.3 million stones. That would mean that a block would have to be placed every 4.5 minutes, day and night, for the entire 20 years. Add to that the precision required in the placement of the stones, that most stones had specific cuts for specific placement, and you can see that it would be completely impossible, logistically speaking, for any people to perform. Even with modern movement technology, including immediate long-distance communication, it would be impossible.
I guess you need to watch Wallington’s video. He estimates, using what he calls his “Egyptian hoist” (he shows how much horsepower it generates for lifting blocks) that the 20 years number is quite doable for (as memory serves) a few hundred men. What your calculations miss (as do all the ancient astronaut theorist numbers) is that a few hundred people WORKING SIMULTANEOUSLY destroys the “oh it would take too long” argument. It’s not like they have only ONE guy working the lever each day.
Do at elast beilve that we are visited by aliens just like we are today? None knows that the star system of Zeta Reticuli exist until Barney and betty’s alien abduction. Betty is no an astronamist and had draw a star map she herself didn’t know there grey alien told her.
This video is the proof!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd3-0E1ZAmQ
No, I don’t. And you don’t know much about the Betty and Barney Hill case if you’re using that to prove alien visitation. There are other explanations for her “star map” – but the best material is to read her ORIGINAL testimony (and Barney’s).
@WasabiDude
You have inconclusive DNA evidence, inconclusive UFO evidence, unproven (perhaps delusional) technological “discoveries”…and conspiracy theory?
Do really think a reasonable person should be persuaded by that?
not sure who this is directed to. Can’t be me since I don’t argue for any of the things you’re shooting at.
Really?!? A link to someone selling a DVD on how he moves concrete? Compare that to building the Pyramid of Giza? Wow..
uh…what a genius. The pyramid is made up of blocks – it wasn’t moved or built wholesale in one piece. Kind of a problematic analogy.
Are there near perfect holes drilled into some of the stonework near the pyramids? I read that somewhere and they couldn’t figure out how they bored the holes back then.
what does near perfect mean? Round? They used hand drills; it’s limestone; not very hard.
I don’t believe aliens built any of the great ancient monuments. However, I do believe that there is a lot more involved than the standard academic view allows for. I think it very obvious that the ancients (in every corner of the world) knew how to move and place large stones using physics and relatively simple tools.
For the Great Pyramid the real questions have more to do with the sketchy evidence used to date its construction. The method of cutting the stones, given that according to standard history at the time they possessed only copper tools, much softer than even the limestone blocks, let alone the granite blocks.
I’m not saying it couldn’t be done, I’m just saying they either figured out a way we haven’t, or they had more advanced metalurgy than we think.
Also, the time involved is problematic. Even given hundreds of people working simultaneously. given the realistic work times available, it would have actually required laying 1 block in significantly less than a minute. The earlier figure of 4.5 minutes is allowing working 24 hours a day for 20 years. This obviously is unrealistic. Given what we know of ancient Egypt it is likely the workers didn’t work year round, and certainly didn’t work 24 hours a day.
In addition to all that, the pyramid complex at Giza just seems rather out of place in the historical context of the 4th dynasty. If you were to ignore the Giza Pyramids, the construction of pyramids in ancient Egypt would follow a pretty steady progression from mastabas to step pyramids, to smaller true pyramids etc. However, dropping in the Giza pyramids where history has placed them, requires a huge leap in ability, resources, and man power, for three generations, then a return to what existed before those three generations. All with no real explanation why in the rest of what we know about those generations.
The more time you spend in academic journals and the actual publishing record, the more you realize that mainstream academia *has* covered most of the topics that “alternative” historians suggest are not addressed in the mainstream. There are actually VERY few things that really have not been addressed in the mainstream. Mainstream scholars just don’t find the alternative arguments persuasive. The downside is that they tend not to keep engaging the public or alternative views since the ideas are viewed as already found wanting and are therefore a waste of time. The “publish or perish” mentality (and reality for tenure) situation also contributes to that.
Also, there are significant questions that seem to be ignored by the standard view, such as why the rest of the pyramids have all sorts of pyramid texts, and the Giza pyramids don’t. Why are the Giza Pyramids the only ones with above ground chambers in the upper structure of the pyramid? etc
At least two visitors recorded that the casing stones of the Great Pyramid were covered with copius amounts of writing. This is usually assumed to have been grafiti, but is that really the case? If so Why aren’t most other ancient monuments covered with ancient graffiti?
granted its difficult to know how reliable some ‘reports’ are but it was also reported that the exterior casing stones appeared to show water marks as though it had once been under water.
Lots of interesting questions.
is there some rule that all pyramids have to have texts? The reason they don’t have texts is that the Egyptians didn’t care to write them! Actually, there is a shift in religion after the early Old Kingdom dynasties that have texts in the pyramids. The Pyramid Texts show a bent toward astral religion, which basically fades away in favor of solar religion after the first few dynasties. That said, the content of the PTs lives on in the books of the dead and other underworld texts — it’s just that, when pharaohs were no longer buried in pyramids, the religious texts were put inside coffins (“Coffin Texts”) or on tomb walls. Pyramid burials fell out of use due to tomb robbing (during and after the Middle Kingdom on into the New Kingdom, the Valley of the kings became the burial site — it afforded more secrecy due to underground burials).
I got in the game a little late. I bought the earth chronicle series before I had heard you refute the story. Thank you for bringing these things to my attention. I will certainly stop telling people to purchase those books. Unfortunatly in these tough times my tax returns are worse than yours so I can’t afford your book at this time however I will get it when I can. I just watched the one man build video for the third time in a row and I can’t stop laughing at how simple an idea that is and nobody thought of it(again) til now. Anyway I was wondering if there is any evidence to support that this is how they moved the pyramid blocks. Also are there any more videos of the builder and any information on how he was able to hoist the cross beam on the completed arch in the video. Also I love coast to coast am and hopefully ill hear you on there with George soon. You should book a show on coast to coast with the builder and one of the Sitchens followers would love to hear that.
I’ve watched Wallington’s video 4-5 times now, and am fascinated every time.
MSH- i sure hope you get paid for trolling around and lying about our history and science.and i hope that anyone who finds themselves here reading this drivel will do their own research on the pyramids and the multitude of other ancient unexplained structures that exsist on our planet. understand that mainstream history says these pyramids were built by egyptians using all sorts of amazing techniques, and yet they had not even discovered the wheel. ha! not to mention the fact that these pyramids are all over the world, and mainstream thinking says these civilizations had NO CONTACT with each other. you have a brain. use it.
I have a better idea for the benefit of readers – why don’t *you* use your brain and produce hard data that shows me wrong and whatever alternative idea you favor is correct. I don’t need the homework. The ball is in your court.
Dear MH:
I am not defending Sitchin. I have never read any of Sitchins works. I did read some of the Lost Book of Enki, but only to compare that text against the text of the 14 Tablets of Enki. A Sitchin translation of tablets I have not been able to get the text to in digital form.
I would take your statements about Sitchin more to heart if several conditions did not exist.
1) Norman Dodd (ex banker and lead investigator for the Reese Commission) had not proved the education system in America has been taken over and corrupted by the tax exempt foundations.
2) Your statements end up only being about the words used. Not the objects existence of the words. You appear to disagree mainly about the wording of Sitchins, but not the fact or existence of what Sitchin used the word for. In other words, you do not disprove the existence of the 12th planet or other objects. I have heard others describe the alien race mentioned in the tablets describe directions to earth. You do not mention this at all. But you discount alien influence.
3) Lloyd Pye’s starchild skull.
4) Astronauts statements and video about us not being alone.
5) Your links to the carpenter do not make any relevance to the pyramids or how they could have been built. Just the mathematics of the number of blocks in a pyramid and the effort to build it by mankind would have not been completed in their lifetime. Besides, the carpenter moved the blocks fine on a concrete slab, but what about desert? Or hundreds of feet above ground?
6) There is a History Channel program where a man has been trying to figure how the Egyptian stone statues were made. He found an original power tool mark on one.
I could go on and on with thousands of examples. The point being that if you want to disprove something, it needs to be more than an incorrect word or interpretation. I do not agree with Sitchin on some things. But that does not make him completely wrong on everything.
Just as time and knowledge always enlighten us more and more about the past (which we will never know the complete truth) what you do today will surely be altered or improved upon in the future.
Do not mistake education as the most important thing in life. It is not. Talent and determination are just as important. A million dollar education doesn’t mean a thing if you do not have a personality or are wrong. It was not to many years ago the highest paid profession in America was sales, which required no education at all, just talent.
I do not know the education of Sitchin. I do not care as long as most of his works are correct. I do not blame or hold any fault with Sitchin for not debating a person such as yourself. If he did not have a degree in ancient languages, he probably knew how he would be slammed by someone such as yourself who tries to use their formal education as a weapon.
Yes, I noticed your condescension to those who have a different opinion.
I know plenty of doctors that have degrees in medicine, but are dumber than rocks. Instead of using some of their youth gaining common sense, they had their nose in a medical book to long and never gained any.
uh . . . where are your factual data to prove my statements are wrong, answering my open letter? This is a (basically controlled) rant. Where are the data?
MSH, I was once somebody that demanded facts for EVERYTHING, as if without facts I couldn’t process and come to a conclusion about things, my IQ which has been tested from 134-147, averaging around 140, which I feel the need to state due to your outlook on things. I’ve come to the realization though, that fact’s are far from the only thing useful to make an argument. You can not have a fact, until that fact is discovered, am I wrong? I ask you to give me FACTS that there was no Extra Terrestrial involvement in ancient times. Can you do so? I will bet you $100.00 that you can not. Fact’s may be able to tell the whole story of some things, but not all things rely on “known facts” to still hold water. I’d advise against your condescending approach to those around you, and let me be the one to tell you that an open mind, and wisdom will get you much further in life, than will a narrow mind and great intelligence.
anyone who tells us his IQ to preface a discussion isn’t worth hearing. I could care less. Okay brainiac, give me the hard science that aliens exist and then we’ll move on to your question.. Give us the evidence that so far has eluded everyone who cares.
I like you Mike.
I have to agree with jake62…..even if 100 words were incorrect it still would not change the overall story. And since you do not offer a solution to what the incorrect subject’s correct translation would actually be and there by changinging the story all you do in reality is swing from sitchins curtails screaming ” I don’t know either….but I know he’s wrong!” Your a biter and a hater. Make your own money off your own credits.
Invalidation of the core ideas of Sitchin’s nonsense dooms his work (I think this was about sitchin; can’t recall). I make no money on this sort of thing. I posted my income tax returns for three years when I got into this and asked Sitchin defenders to do the same. They wouldn’t.
Oh and secondly Sumerian as if you didn’t know is a dead language so you might as well have to break a code for which there is no key. Babylonia to Akkadia to Assyrian is a real stretch. Even english first starting around the mid 5th century is not even close to what we write or speak today. In fact it is closer to old german than anything else. The point I’m getting to is that to think that of all the subtleties and slangs and metaphors would hold true from a Sumerian language(and lets be real its DEAD) to hold its meanings through three other peoples history and writings is at best absurd. You know the Sumerian language can never one hundred percent be absolutely understood so all that remains is an overall story which eludes to an idea….which you yourself cannot disprove or for that matter offer a better translation. To be honest I like sitchins story better…not only does it adhere to biblical references and figures but includes God i.e. ” The Creator Of All” And in the end it is man being indirectly created by God through beings very much like ourselves.
no, ancient near eastern languages are not close to old german, which is indo-European. Utter nonsense.
@ Jake : There is a lot to be said on Sitchin theories, among other the claim sumerians use to wear watches.. a lot of waht he said is based on imagination as if he constructed an artificial world
where he lives in. There are worst case, take Rael the french idiot who claim to have been abducted by aliens and wants to build an aeropace port in Jerusalem so Alien can come to visit..
Egypt pyramids were man made, we may have lost how it was made but exists good theories how it was. We woud probably had known better if the romans did not destroy Alexandria libraries.
Personnaly, I do like the idea that pyaramids are attributed to man; saying alien built it reduce
our accomplisments
Its funny no one ever claimed persepolis was build by aliens, yet they moved stones that were as big as the one in egypt and this retired construction worker is a good proof people from old civilizations were good thinkers..
Sorry mates. Nice try but ancient people could not move 2.2 million blocks period. Just cutting these very hard giant stones cannot be done today with any means. This old man moving a 2 ton block means nothing. I moved much heavier ones myself, it means nothing. The stones from around the world are over 1000 tons, or many of them anyway and some even larger. Keep trying to explain everything with your Bible. I am not fooled and know far better. Your grasping at straws and have no science education, none.
I can see you haven’t watched Wallington’s video, perhaps just the few minutes on his website (or maybe ignored the data entirely). It’s simple math. By the methods Wallington actually demonstrates in real time, it would not even require the number of people Herodotus estimated.
steve, he moved blocks of 25 tons by himself using gravity and erected it stonehenge style.- the average blocks of the pyramids are 2.5 tons (Cheops). Wellington’s moves it like nothing and he may be 65 in the video.
I am not a religious person myself. i lean toward Israel Finkelstein opinion that the Bible was constructed by thinkers having for goal to unify Isarelis and Judeans in one nation. However it is beside the point, the question being whether humans or aliens built it. How it was built was lost and we have no record aliens built it..
As far as I am concerned aliens did not show wellington how to moves these blocks… Pyarmids were men made.
If aliens did not build pyramids why it aline with the orion’s belt?
First, it doesn’t precisely; second, one can do that with a little thing I like to call “math” — it just takes a visual observation and then plotting it out on a piece of paper (just using a simple grid plan, like the Egyptians used for all their tomb artwork, for example), and then transferring that design. HOW is easy. Why is the real question (and that need not involve ET either).
I’ve seen a documentary that claims that the pyramids in Ancient Egypt were built a long time before mainstream science claims they were built. Main point for the claim is that it was because its ridiculous that the Egyptians would have built the Pyramids so far from the Nile and the last time the Nile ran in front of the pyramids was 15000 odd years before mainstream egyptologist claim.
It was done by Carmen Boulter of the University of Calgary and is a series called the pyramid code.
It also claims that the pyramids were made to harness a type of energy on earth that has been forgotten about, among other things. Do you have any opinions on these claims? I like your website and really appreciate what you do on here. So i’d love to hear your thoughts on these things if you have seen or heard about them??
Yes; they are nonsense. They’ve actually been looked at by Egyptologists. The dating is largely done on the basis of assumed correlations between the structures and astronomy. Their downfall is that estimates this extreme requires the Egyptians to have *ignored* certain elements in the night sky. There is a correlation between the pyramids and astronomy, but not one that yields such dates. See my “Egypt” topic on this blog for a listing of some posts related to this – http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/category/ancient-egypt/ (there are several pages, so scroll through and look for items on pyramid alignment).
Where to start! If men actually built these giant structures we have to consider the human needs: water, lifting heavy stones in hot weather makes one thirsty, and then that water must be released, so was there bottled water available along with many a “Johny ON The Spot?” And if they used levers where did the wood come from, not many large trees in the desert? I suppose they also e-mailed the plans to Central and south America and China as well! Would not those thousands of workers get in each others way, and how many supervisors and who had the overall plan? No one know who nor how, but built by a gang of slaves, or even skilled workers, is just far too preposterous. I think for those Egyptologist who pretend to preserve history and have the answers, there jobs are a true make work project. And does anyone really think the main purpose for a Pyramid was a burial vault??
The need for water is hardly an issue. Somehow (!) the Egyptians accomplished literally thousands of building projects and managed to keep everyone watered. Just a lot of skins, bottles, carts, etc. It’s just an issue of scale, not know-how. The major building projects are also nearly always close to the Nile, too (pyramids, mortuary temples, etc.).
i would like to say that the egyptians took longer then twenty years yo build, but look what a million slaves can do
so i will say it again,look what a million slaves can do, it has been proven that a very large area was found to have nothing but a large kitchen to feed all the slves
i am old and can not type very well but you can get my meaning if you want to
i wll keep checking this web site for a answer to my answer
I have to approve the comments and have done so (apologies for being behind on that).
I suspect that these pyramids are much older than the Pharoes, andthat it took much longer to construct using 2.3 million blocks, perhaps 100-200 years, but as for moving the stones, I am sure that they were easily moved with levitation. In the 20th century a single man, Edward Leedskalnin, built the Coral Castle in Florida alone and then took it apart and moved it to a new location. He discovered the secret of lifting the stones in his monument. There are eyewitnesses to Tibetan monks also moving huge stones weighing many tons using sound (trumpets and drums). We think that the only way to move heavy things is with block and tackle and get caught inthis mental rut and refuse to try other ways. Leedskalnin was a simple man, but he had a passion to do what he did and he did it. Nobody knows how, since he always worked alone, but a witness (trucker) came back in a short time and discovered several large blocks already on the truck, and simply could nut account for getting many-ton blocks onto the truck in 20 minutes.
So I think that all large-sized constructions, Rapa Nui (Easter Island), Incas, etc. were all done with unknown levitating technology. The Incas also apparently know how to soften the stone using an natural plant (herb). Whether this may have been used elsewhere remains a possibility.
any proof for the levitation idea?
Oh you poor soul. Why are you such a fact seeking person? Can’t you open your mind just a bit for your own sake please? I don’t care about Sitchin’s books, ideas and beliefs but I do appreciate his open-mindedness.
What are you doing? – well, studying good books and literature. What was Sitchin doing? – doing the same things you are doing now? What’s the difference between you and Sitchin? Sitchin studied and came up with ideas and shared them with us. He gave us ideas and theories (not strict facts and proofs) to think about. He opened our minds for newer ideas to come in. What are you doing? YOU’RE TRYING TO PUT A LOCK ON OUR MIND’S DOORS!!! I don’t think the world needs you. We need people with new ideas. You are a scholar and researcher. You learned your ‘facts and proofs’ but nothing new and useful to the society came out of you after having spent years of study, not to mentioned the thousands of dollars spent. Sitchin and a handful of others also studied the same things you studied but they came up with fascinating ideas and theories. Please note, everyone knows what you know but very few people have the ability to form new ideas out of that knowledge.
UFO enthusiast, ancient alien research, ancient astronaut fanatic and whatever you call, I’m not any of them. I’m just someone who likes to think freely.
I don’t think Albert Einstein would have come up with E=MC2 if he had your brain. Now, I’m sure you must think E=MC2 is a fact. Well sir, no, it’s NOT FACT! It’s just a theory, a formula that came out of FREE THINKING and an excellent one at that!
Please come out of your shell and start connecting with your soul. There’s more to life than bookish facts. Your based-on-facts PhD is not going to get you anywhere.
Even if you replied to this post, I wouldn’t really care to write back because I don’t have FACTS and PROOFS to offer. I don’t believe in fighting; I believe in a collaboration of new thoughts.
Yours truly.
So, not caring about factual accuracy is a virtue? So, Einstein must have had the most empty mind, or maybe he was the leader in not caring if his thoughts reflected reality (funny place to do that – the laws of physics and all).
Sorry. An ignorant mind is not an enlightened one, just a vacuous one. Hope your head doesn’t cave in.
And anyone who thinks Einstein came up with his breakthrough because he didn’t have a mind full of factual data pertinent to physics knows little about him or physics.
Sir,
This is exactly what I expected.
An open mind is NOT an ignorant mind. An open mind is also NOT an empty mind. I said OPEN not empty. Perhaps, you should read my post one more time.
You have chosen to deliberately misunderstand and mangle everything, which is fine because it’s not my problem or for that matter, anyone’s.
What I said was this:
Einstein, Sitchin (though he’s nowhere near Einstein) and others studied facts and figures. They researched and came up with new thoughts, ideas and theories; I’ll say it again, THEORIES. They offered their thoughts to the world and made us think more. They never attacked other people’s ideas but absorded and adopted them to. And … they just us useful things in form of ‘possibilities’.
You, on the other hand, read, simply read about the facts and simply stay with the facts without offering anything useful to the world and humankind.
Every discovery and invention happens because of this thing called Possibility. Possibility is born only from within an open mind and not a closed mind jam-packed with compressed data!
May I ask you something? What have you given to humankind? I appreciate your efforts and everything that you’ve done but I don’t think you’ve offered anything new and useful to the world. I’d expect someone with such an arrogant attitude and a big mouth to at least do something for humankind to PROVE himself. I’m sorry but your brain is nothing better than a computer hard drive.
All the best.
Yours truly.
This is exactly what I expected.
An open mind is not an empty mind. An open mind is also not an ignorant mind. Perhaps, you should read my post one more time.
You have chosen to deliberately misunderstand everything. Why? I don’t know. Your mind has been closed permanently.
I really feel bad seeing such a great scholar behaving like this.
What I meant is this:
Einstein had a mind full of facts and figures, I don’t deny that. BUT, he didn’t merely pack his mind with facts; he developed something useful out of it and gave it to humankind in the form of theories and ideas, which I MUST STRESS, were born out of ‘could that be possible?’ and ‘I believe it is like this?. OK, do you think the laws of physics apply everywhere? Of course, based on data, it does, but if we apply ‘could that be possible?’ and work on it, like real scientists are doing, physics is just a baseline science.
You, sir, are an expert and a scholar but what worries me is your attitude towards Possibilities.
Have you given the world and humankind anything useful, anything at all? I don’t like the way you attack theories. You still have SO much to learn.
If you weren’t indeed learned, you wouldn’t have been so arrogant and big mouthed.
Yours Truly.
Edit: If you were indeed learned, you wouldn’t have been so arrogant and big-mouthed.
Also, I’m sorry to say this but, you brain is no better than a computer hard drive.
some powerful argumentation here. Keep commenting — they will live forever here so everyone can see the power of your arguments.
I note that it didn’t take long for your argument to reduce to ad hominem. That really *is* the sign of an empty mind.
@ Chin64bit of course having our imagination opened by theories is fun; but it is also fun to be provided with proofs..
If i was moving 2 tons of cement blocs all by myself; would you like to see it? On UFO there are many credible account that we are visited, but it does not mean we were created by them..
If they visit us, they should pay taxes like everyone else..
it could; but what MSH shows is that Sitchin findings are incompatible with ancient texts Sitchin refers to.
Ancient texts also said all humanity were created from adam but i am not sure of this as there were civilzations that appears to be older than babylon, egypt and israel.. it is said that sudan ancestors were non-adamic..
example http://wysinger.homestead.com/nabtaplaya.html
I personally think ath Adam and Eve were english; it takes only an englisman to eat an apple
in front of a naked woman..
@Lost Angel, and of course @ MSH
Here’s the thing:
Why are you so consumed and governed by what is ‘now’ and what is already there?
Do we know what Reality is? For that matter do we know why are born and after a certain span of time, die?
Can you define Reality with data and facts? If you can, I owe you my life.
Aliens creating us IS a theory. Let’s understand that. You would find it quite disturbing but cultures from as far away as a small state in North-eastern India called Manipur, have ancient texts describing quite vividly how creation happened – extra-terrestrial connection, if you like. I won’t say it’s true, yet, it intrigues me.
I really wouldn’t like to chop the whole thing into bits but, oh how unfortunately, I happen to be dealing with folks who just haven’t learned how to look at the bigger picture yet.
299792458 m/s is the speed of light and that is the speed limit on the cosmic highway. Are you sure? Yes, if you read books and stay satisfied with it. No, if you start thinking with an open mind.
Here’s a question for both of you: What is reality?
I love it – an appeal to ignorance (or “we’re not omniscient so you must be wrong”). Or, the less distracted we are about factual data that exist, the more open-minded we are. In that case “openness” is a synonym for “empty.” What I mean here is that it is not a good use of one’s mind to dispense with data for the sake of calling one’s mind “open.”
I love these sorts of replies because they illustrate the sort of evidence-challenged arguments I talk about.
Sorry, I’m not attacking you personally. I’m sure you’re a very nice person. Your work shows that. I can see the passion in you. My problem is your approach, your attitude towards free thinking.
If we had to stop thinking and simply rely on facts, figures and proofs, the world wouldn’t have changed one bit. Tell me I’m wrong.
Use the facts and figures, the vast amount of knowledge that you have gathered to form something new – something out of which newer ideas can spawn. Stop building a fort around people’s minds.
I like both you and Lost Angel immensely; you both represent the extremely numerous, conventional and law-abiding population of human beings. After all, that’s what humans are supposed to be – perfect human beings. And as you’d have guessed there’s a small group of mad, insane, lunatic, ridiculous humans like Einstein, Tesla, Hawking and up to an extent Daniken and Sitchen. Einstein is my idol. I have a picture of him on my bedroom wall, though I know why Einstein and Hawking got recognised widely and not Tesla or for that matter Sitchen. You know it too.
By the way, did you know the thread of ‘aliens (or whatever you like to call them) created humans’ run through cultures across the world, even in the religious scriptures of cultures as far of and remote as a tiny state in the North East part of India – one of the most secluded parts of the world. Search for ‘extra terrestrial connection meitei’. You might find something. I don’t believe it, yet I have no issue with their ancient religious text, which is thousands of years old. If ever you try to look this information up, please don’t ridicule the people; it’s their religion and we must respect it. What harm does it do to us if their ancient text talks about blood, semen, embryos, tissues, bones and surgery? And oh, by the way (again), their scriptures aren’t PEER REVIEWED apparently because the priests and monks who wrote them had no ‘peers’.
Dear sir, reality is not all about facts, figures, data, proofs and ‘peer-review’. We can’t explain everything. Even if we can explain a few things, our explanations, whether we like it or not, would always remain theories irrespective of the number of proofs we provide because theories can be disproved. We always believed light traveled in a straight line. Well, light can be bent and the same applies to space and time. If you didn’t know, I’m sorry.
Possibilities, dear sir, possibilities – that’s all about it.
See my other reply.
@ Ching64bit
human mind is is just a small window to perceive what the immense reality is; true there exist
vedic descriptions having the appearance of nuclear war in Hindoism which killed about 14 million people..about 3 500 years ago.. nothing of this sort in the scriptures..
It would be nice to have some artefacts from it, considering radioactivity takes long to vanish..
Lost or archeologistes denied the sphinx (eroded by water) could had been 10.500 years old, arguing the people then did not have the proper tools, yet there is the temple of Gobekli Tepe which is dated at
11 000 BC. and NO TOOLS FOUND.. the Pyramids are dated no more than 5000 BC, it open the possiblity that 2 civilzations filled Egypt.. unless there is tangible proofs, we are still in fiction
@ Lost Angel.
Thank you.
What if it wasn’t a nuclear war but something worse – fought using forgotten technologies, or technologies yet unknown to modern man? That would imply we just don’t have the means to detect the artifacts. Mahabharata describes it and the folks who wrote the epic couldn’t have just imagined the whole thing.
Now, we don’t have the proofs to show that such a hi-tech war happened. But we can’t conclude that it did not happen because of lack of evidence; the mind will not allow us to.
I don’t think we can find anything if we still don’t know what we’re looking for.
What infuriates me is Dr. Heiser’s (and other scholars’) attitude, like I said, towards possibilities. I admire his work though.
Possibilities are not probabilities, or even likelihoods. Example: It’s possible I could be the next American Idol — but really nowhere in the realm of probability or likelihood (closer to delusion – but still “possible”).
The point is that clear thinking is not established by vocabulary words or jargon.
@ Ching64bit
The vedas could have been written as a prjection to the future. who kows may be one day someon will find a proof it happened…or not.. its nice to be prudent
I don’t find this one coherent — an appeal to the unknown future isn’t an answer (it is by definition offering ignorance — our lack of knowing the future — as an explanation; sort of like an argument from silence, but with a futuristic element).
@ MSH, i dont have an explanation to the Vedics writings; if you do have something , please share.
my advice is to search for bibliographies on the Vedic material. There are whole degree programs on this (Sanskrit studies, Religious studies). They aren’t a mystery.
@MSH. I’ve seen those bibliographies and gone through those ‘whole degree programs’. They are written recently by people like your esteemed self and sure enough, nothing near the stuff I’m looking for; nothing that can satisfy my curiosity – just plain bland academic, read-study-appear-for-the-exam-pass-it material.
I quote Lost Angel, “human mind is is just a small window to perceive what the immense reality is”. Now, education, as imparted by the likes of MSH, tends to narrow that already ‘small window’ and make a pinhole out of it. How unfortunate is that? And when someone starts questioning, the reaction is “Shut up and read your book!”, which is not fair at all. This worries and troubles me immensely.
And if you’re accusing me of using vocabulary and jargon to justify myself, I’m sorry, English is my 3rd language and I’m not good at it. To be honest with you, I feel language is too feeble a medium to express and propagate our thought; in fact it cripples us. You do know why we have the arts, don’t you? Music, sculpture, dance … you know. It’s what I’d like to call ‘breaking the barrier’, which would definitely sound taboo to you.
At one point I was angry, now I’m laughing.
to date you haven’t produced a single fact-based reply (just the “blank out your mind” mantra). I don’t care about degrees; they are secondary to facts, but people with degrees usually have a sound grasp of lots of facts (since degrees aren’t awarded for “open mindedness”).
Now I can’t forgive myself for this.
I never really cared about your identity, who you are and things like that. Out of curiosity, I looked up a bit about you on the Internet and I just realised you are no more or less than those ‘great people’ who go around telling people why you shouldn’t eat pork (armed with scientific facts). You are a bible teacher! No wonder, and no offence.
Wow! I’ve been debating (arguing) with someone who makes a living out of religion!??!! You even have a facebook page! And I thought you’re a 20 something year old boy. I thought I had been debating with a person of my age.
Forgive me Mother for I have sinned. I’ve wasted several precious days of my life arguing with a god man.
You know you’re actually right. Facts, figures, proofs, data. You’re right; they tell so much. Now I know you. I’m humbled O great one!
Adieu DOCTOR Heiser.
you really sound like an idiot in this one. Again, the discussion closes without one fact-based response on your part. Yes, adieu; my time is far better spent.
i looked, most relates to aliens sites, may be my search criteria must be changed..
I am of the opinion that some translators mistranslate the txts..
you’ve done nothing to address any of the specific points this person has brought up.
For their part, they can start by proving there are or were aliens. Once that’s done, then alien assistance is on the table for discussion. Without that, talking about their assistance amounts to assuming what one needs to prove — a classic logical fallacy.
If Egyptian construction techniques can be demonstrated as workable and scalable, then all the points ARE addressed with human technology and applied physics.
this doesnt prove anything. try to use this method for stones over 10..20,000 tons.. yeah… not gonna work… thought so.
why is it ,that the idea of aliens..or..LIFE outside of this planet is so hard for others to even BEING to accept..? humans constantly argue FACTS and really dont know sh*t.. but what do you find it HARDER to believe… that there is life among BILLIONS of planets/ galaxies, stars, pressure conditions..etc..or that we are the ONLY life out of those billions..?
what does your GUT say? im betting your repressed “all knowing” conscious and instinct give you a feeling, of “were not alone”..which makes more sense than ignorance based on the miniscule amount of info the government will let you in on.. they hide truth and shove propaganda in your face daily and tell you there are no ufo’s when they are seen everywhere by millions of people.why would ancients have drawings on walls of aliens? why would they all build pyramids? i doubt think they did it as a joke for people to find thousands of years later…com’on son…
people want PROOF of aliens.that’s COMICAL…if thats the case.. do you believe in god? WHY? you dont physically see him? at least aliens fly around and let people see they are here.if its the military, whered they get the tech from? why do satallites show crafts at high rates of speed and making 90 degree turns, why are some of these crafts over miles long..thats huge..oh right..just space debris.lol. theres way more evidence that will suggest they are real, as opposed to some made up monster story..sometimes people need to stop thinking so hard and see whats in your face..then realize its NOT hard to believe. in fact, taking the universe into consideration should tell you off the top that theres tons of life out there.so why believe in god if not aliens? you sure as hell see innocent and wrongful deaths everywhere..i think that would point in the opposite direction of a loving god.
and facts, data, proof, is only proof to the person interpreting it and those who interpret it the same way. facts change, which means they were never facts to begin with.data is only as good as the person reading it makes it seem to be, and the method used by the machine which provided it in the first place.bottom line, just stop looking at facts..data..etc.. its not needed. ask yourself what you want to know and let your inner light answer for you . for every fact there is a debate just waiting. and NO..they didnt move HUGE blocks with a small rock method..maybe for smaller stones but i dont think they needed it. its called electricity..just used differently.the universe is electrical. its what you do with the tools, and how you use them. we use it for light bulbs. they used it far differently for far greater accomplishments .ed leedskalnin told everyone how it was done and PROOVED IT , but why should he just give away his breakthrough or ancient secrets ? but he did.. even wrote about how it was done..and would you believe many people still ignore what he was trying to say, EVEN AFTER THEY SEE WHAT HE BUILT? instead of listening to the one guy who did it, people go in the opposite direction and use alternative methods because they don’t understand the science to it. pure nonsense.all he did was follow what the ancients did, and he built a castle solo with basically no heavy equipment. too many folks stick to their conventional watered down, completely backwards way of thinking .maybe they should learn more of the PROPER KNOWLEDGE that the men in charge have tried hiding for evil reasons through generations. i hope everyone has a spiritual awaking soon.. we need more enlightened ones..
Sure. It’s much easier to believe that aliens helped, even though science has never produced evidence aliens existed (why not fairies? or little elves when they aren’t making shoes?). That’s much more reasonable than applied physics that could be scaled up.
and dont forget cutting the stones, perfectly, like laser precision, in many places around the globe…i think all rock lifting, cutting, building back in those days , (regardless of location on the globe) was done in a very similar manner.. i dont think they would argue amongst themselves about how it was done like we do ….. its time people GO backwards and PRACTICE these lost methods.
Why do I feel like anything anyone says in a reply on this page gets answered with “Where’s your proof?”
Explain to me how ancient structures exist UNDER THE OCEAN? Do I need to give you proof and facts that these sites exist? Or can you look for yourself and find the articles and documentaries about them that are on the internet? Do your own homework. These civilizations existed tens of thousands of years ago, during times when our human ancestors were said to have been picking berries and hunting game. So how do great cities get buried by water on lands that didn’t touch the air since before the end of the last ice age? We’re talking over 10,000 years ago. Even John Anthony West has peer reviewed material (along with Robert Schoch) that show water from rains on the Sphinx when rain hasn’t been in that region for how long now? And West even goes so far as to say 36,000 years ago based on stellar alignments and geological history.
I feel like ‘peer review’ means someone else who thinks like you.
I’ll expect your modest reply saying “I see no evidence refuting my refutes” in a day or two.
Because anything that is considered true should be data-driven.
Ancient structures under the ocean (depends on whether you are talking about real ones) are there because (a) people built them, and (b) cataclysmic events occur on earth that cause sea tables and levels to change. Where’s the shock in that?
Interesting stuff. Interesting stuff.
Just a few comments, in no special order…
1. Sitchin’s trying to sell Books. And that’s Plural. He’s turned ancient myth into space opera. I think I read somewhere where he took the tale of a broken necklace and transformed it into the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter.
2. Regarding the feller who said it doesn’t matter if 100 of Sitchin’s words were wrong. Uh… Uh… Really? How about just 1 for instance? Like maybe “accidentally” substituting “outhouse” for “Nibiru” or whatever cool residence you’re working with when translating ancient tablets? There is a Difference. A Big Difference, with a Big turnout…
3. The pyramids (and probably most every other ancient multi-ton construct) were made according to Dr. Davidovids through poured concrete. You don’t need to move a ton if you can make a Mold for said block Where you want it to be and then bring along buckets of limestone-based concrete to fill it.
There is the missing mystery Solved. IMHO it satisfies all credentials without invoking space aliens, anti-gravityr, or related BS. Just do a web search and read about it yourselves.
4. What’s this world coming to when we have to give credit for all human achievments to Space Aliens, if not freakin’ God! I just read a book where lasers, microchips, and other modern technology is being attributed to the Roswell crash! What’s next, Aliens invented the toaster?
I love the “space opera” label; wish I had thought of that!
I am familiar with Davidovits’ work (I show a video of his method in my Egyptology course). I think it is one of several methods for how the pyramids were / may have been built. But that method cannot account for the red granite blocks (the largest ones) over the king’s chamber. You need something akin to the technology Houdin has mapped out.
What’s the difference between belief in god and belief in ancient alien visitors?
By way of illustration, the biblical texts (and the texts of other religions as well) describe God as uncreated and creator of all that is material. That alone distinguishes God from aliens. They are not uncreated; nothing made of something can be. And so this is a fundamental disconnect between looking at the Bible or Koran, etc. and saying “it’s describing aliens.” No, it isn’t, if you take it for what it says. Then there are attributes. Omnipotence and omnipresence and omniscience, for example, would not be true of material beings (it cannot be, by definition, since those attributes require eternality and separation from the laws of time and space – and if there are laws of time and space we don’t know, that doesn’t mean the ones we do know are thereby shown to be false; it means they are part of a greater whole and still cannot be violated). Another item is testability. Aliens, if they exist, are testable, as they would be material (have biology — something that can be put under a microscope), having evolved to what they are, or having been created by a superior being. God, as he is cast in basically all religions (a personal God, that is), is not material and so is by definition not scientifically testable.
All of the above are basic, fundamental distinctions that are largely ignored by people who want to draw such an equation.
I would like for Mike to invite Lloyd Pye (Another Ancient Alien Astronaut Theorist), for a seminar debate. Others could be invited to from the ient Alien Astronaut crowd. Should make for a lively discussion and could be posted on youtube. Thanks
What are you thinking of in terms of a “seminar debate” (describe it).
The problem with these sorts of things is that the views are already all published and readily accessible, and so one wonders what is the “value add” in the proposition. But let me know what you’re thinking of.
Yes, even though the different views are posted and published, there is not a debate about the interpretation of evidenciary findings. A seminar would allow for a court-like atmosphere to dismiss of proposed interpretations. For example, the book of Ezekiel(his vision) gives terms that are interpreted in different ways by the Acient Alien theorists and yourself. Evolution mechanisms are another debate. The Pires Maps are another debate of how it was created. And finally, the large structures and diagrams around the world which can best be seen from high in the air can be debated concerning their creation and use. The starchild skull(of Mr. Pye) is even another. The list is endless. But, audiences might be enlivened about the history of mankind through such debates as well as specious claims being negated or not.
It’s actually hard for me to get excited about this because a lot of critical material has been published about all these things (opposed to ancient alien ideas — many of which are not about interpretation, but fabrication of evidence). I’d put forth my view by posting links to material (which I do a lot here and on websites). Saying “hey, read these six articles and check out this database” doesn’t sound very interesting.
I understand your situation. I only wish there was a debate-style forum as it would have been between yourself and Mr. Stichens had he answered your request. In the meantime different sides will argue unopposed, allowing for their seperate audiences to believe entirely the whole presentation due to several facts being undoubtedly true. And there are critical components which needs to be strengthened or dispelled. Maybe in the future such a forum will come about. Thanks anyway.
Time will tell. Once the documentary response to the Ancient Aliens material is actually available online (it will be released free, and will likely be several hours in length), I suspect that some talk shows might offer such an opportunity. At any rate, I will propose just that. But who knows if there will be takers.
Professor, would you please review this short video by Dr. Rush regarding his view of the widespread use of drugs in ancient times which may have provided visions which to create religious mythology AND stolen real Egyptian Pharoic figures whom may have been used to form the Biblical leading figures in the construction of Judaism mythical stories. Thanks (see below)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbBq9PRVwNQ
no; I don’t accept homework. All this Zeitgeist crap has been known and refuted since the 1930s. (Yes, I have such sources that are that old). That is why 99% of scholars yawn (or laugh) at it. Those that don’t have that axe to grind.
Thank you….
you’re welcome.
Hi,
In my modest opinion I think everyone is mixing apples and oranges here. The AA show just points out that there are things out there science cannot explain and invites people to think about that. The ancient Aliens theory is not a scientific theory. There is no need for science to refute what is said in the AA show because what is said in the AA show is not science. The show provokes thought and, hopefully, inspires people to pick up a book. That said, I just have to point out that brandishing one’s degree for the purpose of insulting those presumably without it compromises the purpose and validity of that degree. Science should not be threatened by lay people asking questions, no matter how stupid those questions may be, or may appear to be. Science is a discipline, the AA show is a mind teasing exercise, or something.
The point is that science (in this case, applied physics and engineering) CAN explain pyramid construction. We don’t need to put aliens on the table to “think about” the construction.
AA isn’t a mind-teasing exercise. It’s a mind corrupting exercise and a brain shut-off valve.
After reviewing the size and accuracy ( level end-to-end) of Giza Pyramid, I find it extermely unlikely that this structure was built by Hebrew slaves with what we could consider primitative tools. To the best of my knowledge no modern society has built anything that compares with the Giza Pyramid from a civil engineering point. Moving muti ton stones is only part of the problem. They must also be cut accurately cut and placed with extreme precision.
just because you find something unbelievable, that is not evidence that it was impossible. it just means that you aren’t as clever as the engineers.
The guy mentioned above in Michigan……did some impressive stuff in moving the stones that he moved, but it’s far removed from building something on the scale of the pyramids……I don’t subscribe to the theory that aliens built them, but I think there is much more to the story than we know…….there certainly has been some lost information and technology from then to now.