Just a quick note. While it’s depressing to see in real time that people who name the name of Christ believe in non-truth, thereby shaming the gospel, I’m going to keep the comments open on that post of a couple days ago (now at 118 comments), with the following exceptions:
- My blog is not the place for posting links to this drivel. All such posts will be deleted. Readers know how to type “flat earth theory” into Google and have their minds numbed. My site isn’t going to be a repository for promoting nonsense.
- I will also delete any comment that names a flat earth theorist or leader. My site will not be a means to generate web traffic for them.
- Generally hysterical comments will also be deleted (unless they make me laugh; then I’ll approve them).
- Comments by jerks will also be blocked and the jerks dutifully blocked. If you want to waste your time creating another email address, be my guest. That’ll get blocked, too.
I know it’s likely asking too much for sane discussion from flat-earthers, but that’s what I’m asking for. But you need to answer my questions about the dome and your own interpretive hypocrisy (inconsistency) that I posed in the original post to get a hearing at this point.
Who invades someone else’s site and starts tossing around words like heretic??? Pretty classless in my opinion.
This is why scholars don’t get in involved with these people. Scholars at least have rules and concede to gentlemanly debate. Worst case scenario someone “strongly disagrees” with you and puts forth at least a quasi sane reason as to why.
Not these yahoos! The best argument I’ve seen so far attempts to force square pegs through round holes. The rest are angry conspiracy theories… or just plain anger.
It’s sad. I know, I know… Obama is the anti-christ and the Pope is the false prophet, and credit cards are the mark of the beast… But the world has never been and will never be flat! It’s not up for debate.
Never in my life did I think I would ever write those words but there’s a first time for everything I guess.
You people are a threat to the Church and the spreading of her gospel! Anyone with access to a computer and a 4th grade education has zero reason to believe in this garbage. You CANNOT engage non-believers with this sort of resistance to education. Please strive to do better!
Nathan
…just punted a decent post…cat…5AM…
Ahem…
“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.” GK Chesterton.
Nice paraphrasing of Romans 1:18-32.
I try not to confuse myself into thinking I’m in “high cotton” when I’ve actually stumbled into “deep weeds”. When I tap ‘send’ I intend to think/study-on v16-17, ” revealed faith for faith”, instead.
So.
Putting aside any 21st Century philological tap-dancing (coupled with the desire for profanity and a baseball bat);
I guess its time we pray for our enemies.
You’ve probably sorted-out a few people. A plenty good net gain.
Off-topic. Hope your Mom enjoyed theUR and knows her boy is some smart cookie.
As always.
Thanks/Best.
faith for faith. hmmmm..
Turns out that famous Chesterton quote is probably
bogus.
http://www.chesterton.org/ceases-to-worship/
“The Oracle of the Dog”, Chesterton. A Father Brown Mystery.
“And a dog is an omen and a cat is a mystery.”
Yup.
So.
I’d like to thank a series of whomevers for contiguously rewriting a “quote” so I could claim some oddball moral authority.
Glad I went with Paul.
Best.
“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” Galileo Galilei
About 1613 Galileo wrote a letter to in which he argued that heliocentrism was actually not contrary to biblical texts, and that the bible was an authority on faith and morals, not on science. Now if the Flat Earth Society/people had any power they would be the “Roman Inquisition” today. As the “Roman Inquisition” cried heresy and as Galileo was required to “abjure, curse and detest” those opinions or face torture, so in 2016 we have stupidity at the highest level, not ignorance, but stupidity. What’s next, if the Flat Earthers came to believe in “round earth” they cut 3 fingers off the right hand of Mike and pull a tooth after he passes away and enshire at Museo DRMSH,as they did to Galileo, that how nutty this gets.
“The earth together with its surrounding waters must in fact have such a shape as its shadow reveals, for it eclipses the moon with the arc of a perfect circle.”
Nicolaus Copernicus 1533 AD
Hey Mike. Was talking to my dad about the FE people.
He said something classic,,. How thick is the flat earth?
Lol.
The entire idea of flat earth has to be a confabulation by one of the alphabet organizations used as a social experiment to determine what percentage of the population they can get to believe a demonstrably ridiculous idea.
It never hurts my feelings to see comments disabled on any type of biblical teaching website. I read the content for information from professionals and experts for my own personal education. Comment sections are seldom worth reading to learn anything except lessons in social behavior when a group of people disagree.
Even Jesus would “be nice and keep on moving” instead of arguing the truth. The ones that got it, got it. The ones who didn’t get it, well, we’ll never know will we.
well said.
Nice quote from Galileo, and equally nice contribution from Copernicus.
But of course Copernicus must have been part of an Illuminati conspiracy, and all subsequent photos of such eclipses must be contrived by NASA and the astronomers it controls, being the inheritor of the dark, occult Illuminatist agenda.
If I try hard enough, I can sound ridiculous, too!
As always, Mike, thanks for doing the hard work…and being the lightning rod! Never thought I’d see crazier stuff than the AA and Sitchin folks…and from those who “profess” Christ to boot…wow.
Pfffff..flat earth? That’s soooo 2015. I’ve already moved onto the fake second world war. Apparently it didn’t happen. Go figure. You learn something new on the internet almost on a daily basis…
awesome!
Interesting you should mention Sitchinites. That’s the analogy that keeps going in my head about these flat earth people. They are fundamentalists to the point of willfully detaching themselves from reality and rationality. Nothing anyone can say to them will make a difference.
Glad you have disabled this nonsense
Even scanning through it is a waste of time
We can all use it more productively
And let’s forgive them, ” for they don’t know what they do”
Let us also remember who is truly behind it – dark side wants us to get distracted and see “whom they can devour”
When we are with God, we are on the winning side, who can be against us?
Not the flat earth …LOL
Janina
I can’t believe how much time it absorbed. Really sad.
Some time ago on this blog a book was mentioned called “A re-enchantment of the west (part 1)” Or something like that… I bought it. It has lots of interesting ideas.
I see a rewinding of western culture based on rejection of the status-quo and not on the merits of the ancient world view. IMHO.
I think in that respect, it’s quite fascinating seeing this even bubbling to the surface. And such an extreme idea.
Steve
Mike,
Perhaps when you go to Boulder, CO you can pay a visit to the “Distinguished Professor Daniel Baker, director of CU-Boulder’s Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics (LASP)” who is quoted as saying the following regarding “killer electrons” hitting the earth…
“It’s almost like these electrons are running into a glass wall in space… somewhat like the shields created by force fields on Star Trek that were used to repel alien weapons, we are seeing an invisible shield blocking these electrons. It’s an extremely puzzling phenomenon.”
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2014/11/26/star-trek-invisible-shield-found-thousands-miles-above-earth
Also, maybe these are you missing pieces of glass?
http://www.wildheretic.com/there-is-glass-in-the-sky/#E
“it’s almost like” isn’t an endorsement of a solid dome hard as brass. But I’ll email him and ask him if he believes the earth is covered by a solid dome. And of course I will post his reply.
Dr.Heiser, I’m a big fan of your work, keep it up.
Regarding the dome firmament, I suggest looking up the military Operation “Fishbowl”, and regarding the edge of the earth, I suggest looking up the military operation “High Jump”.
Best of luck to you,
A Logos
Operation Highjump is featured in my novel, The Portent (along with the awful manipulation of the Admiral Byrd interview — complete with Spanish original text — that started the conspiracy stuff about the poles. Pure imagination. The earth isn’t flat, and there isn’t a portal at the north pole (and Byrd never said as much).
Have you ever read David Wardlaw Scott’s ‘Terra Firma’?
https://thechosenites.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/terra-firma.pdf
I am curious to hear your opinion on this work.
I haven’t.
Exactly what I was thinking!
AGREED!!!
You’re correct, Dr. Heiser. I came out of a church which staunchly believed that just because we are white-skinned, that we were the true Israel. In other words, they adhered to Anglo-Israelism and to the point of common sense absurdity. They would quote “And all Israel will be saved” to mean that just because you’re white, you will be saved in the end and that even Satan himself will be saved (adding Universalism). Anyway, no matter how I tried to persuade them or my dad, I was poo-pooed not because I presented a logical research paper (about which I received a 4.0 in Bible College), but because they told me I was a woman and not to be believed. A lot of problems one can see here. Anyway, they simply will not be convinced otherwise or to even consider researching it out for themselves. Though Anglo-Israelism is not a cult, it was listed in the Kingdom of the Cults as being a belief which ensnares adherents into other false beliefs and can create a cult-like environment for those who hold to it. the church was VERY legalistic and believed they alone were the ONLY REAL church. Needless to say, I left a l long time ago and shook the dust off my shoes before leaving. Anyway, long story short, this is what I see happening (and has happened) with the adherents of the flat earth teaching. A lot of these are argumentative, haughty, prideful, and they open themselves up to other false teachings which keeps their eyes focused on their “special knowledge” rather than on Jesus Christ. You know something’s wrong when that happens.
Yep.
LOL! 🙂 I love it!!
The idea of the earth being flat is making a resurgence in the West. How is this numbskully possible? Easy, when you understand what’s going on in the world today. “Flat Earth Theory” is Islamic. Western school books have been bought & paid for–and edited by–Islam.
(Islam is an imperialistic, totalitarian ideology, and should be called “Islamism,” and its adherents “Islamists,” as the suffix “-ism” denotes an ideology (compare “Christianity,” where “-ity” denotes a religion.)) Islamicists have spent decades Islamizing the West, and preparing us for conquest. The groundwork laid, our gates were opened and Islamists have poured in, non-stop, for years now. World conquest is Islam’s main goal, and it has done a superb job of subjugating Europe in just a few, short years.
Flat Earth is just one more part of Sharia that Islamists are using to subjugate foolish Westerners. If a Westerner can believe that nonsense, then Islamism doesn’t look so ridiculous. See how this works?
I was taught this ancient cosmology just about exactly they way you teach it way back when I was in Bible college in the 80’s. My Prof. like you, knew all of the ancient Semitic languages and taught OT Survey, so he taught all of these ridiculous and funny beliefs, like the world on the back of a turtle on an elephant as what I can remember. The Hebraic cosmology never brought the attention that it gets today. I personally don’t know what the big deal is as to what Christians believe about the true cosmology of the world. As believers don’t we all have our weird beliefs? ,I’m a 5 PT Calvinist and believe that God gives us free will, He just must cause us to believe the Gospel. I even wake up some mornings and am a dispensationalist while other mornings I’m a Covenant or New Covenant Theologian. I try not to argue with Christians on stuff like this. I just change the subject. Don’t let it stress you out. If the earth is a beautiful blue marble and Christians don’t believe it, God will still turn the World every day.