I’m guessing I have some C2C listeners as readers, so I thought I’d blog this even though it’s outside the realm of UFOs and religion.
Ryan and Bob Wood are the guests tonight on the show. The topic is the MJ12 documents. I’ve had some people email me with some sort of teaser that the Woods are going to produce new evidence that the documents are real. Here’s my prediction for this C2C show — it’ll be just more of the same. Why? Read on.
The Woods will of course present their forensic work on the documents, which is old news. If they comment on forensic linguistic evidence and Carol Chaski, be warned, and do not be deceived. Carol is the forensic linguist I hired two years ago to do some MJ12 document testing, the results of which I presented in Roswell at the annual festival. Carol is an expert in her field (see this link for links about Carol). The Woods aren’t going to say anything that undermines Carol’s forensic LINGUISTIC work — at least if they are honest about things. Carol Chaski’s linguistic research is far different from the CSI kinds of forensic work the Woods have done (and done well). How do I know their appearance isn’t going to advance the discussion? Because Carol and I had a phone conversation just prior to the 2008 6th annual UFO conference in Las Vegas. Why does that matter? Because Bob Wood had asked Carol to do some testing for him of some of the MJ documents (this was after her work for me, naturally) and he was going to report on that work at the 2008 conference. This alone was humorous, given Ryan Wood’s near hysterical response, conveyed by many willfully uninformed people on the internet, to Carol’s work for me (if Carol didn’t know what she was talking about, why would his dad, Bob, ask her to do work for him?1
Anyway, Carol asked me if I was going to the Vegas event (I was not). She was specifically concerned that Bob Wood would misrepresent her results and conclusions — which, she added were consistent with her work for me — that a number of the MJ12 documents that bore authorship names were NOT authored by the people whose names appeared as authors. She was concerned Bob Wood would skewer her work and make it sound like her work proved the MJ 12 documents when it did not. I told her not to worry about it — I think Bob Wood has integrity and, as a scientist, would appreciate her conclusions and not misrepresent them, noting where she thought more work needed to be done. Ryan Wood is a different case altogether, as his behavior has shown.
So, I would expect this is much ado about nothing. And, for the record, Carol and I would be happy to appear with the Woods on this matter whenever schedules on all parties permitted. It would be nice to incldue Stan Friedman, too, since he uncharacteristically inept when it came to understanding (actually, even KNOWING) my position on alien life and the MJ12 documents. Maybe if Stan were on such a panel he’d be forced to actually listen.
- As usual for “internet UFO researchers,” NO ONE (as in zero) actually emailed me and asked about my conclusions, nor did anyone actually quote the document. What a surprise. I was very cautious about the conclusions — the UFO / ET issue does NOT hinge on the MJ12 documents. They are separate issues. Anyone who actually gets the PDF of the report and reads it will know this. And if there are intelligent ETs, they do not need to be demons, as anyone who reads this blog knows, or anyone who’s actually taken the time to view my lecture on ETs and Christianity. Lastly, I didn’t pay Carol “thousands of dollars” — it was around $1500 as I recall — a lot for me, but not huge to most people. ↩
Hello all,
Based on email traffic between myself and others over the past few days, including certain producers at Coast to Coast, there is a high probability that the Woods were on the program last night because I recently circulated my second article on MJ-12, in which I presented information relating to a number of questionable and even scandalous aspects of the ongoing controversy. The article, “Operation Bird Droppings” (together with Updates 1 and 2) is posted at UFO Chronicles.
My first paper on the subject, “The MJ-12 Affair: Facts, Questions, Comments” was published in 1989, and resulted in researcher Bill Moore confessing to his participation in the disinfo and spying op being run out of Kirtland AFB’s Office of Special Investigations.
My new paper exposes the sometimes shocking shenanigans of Richard “Falcon” Doty and Robert “Condor” Collins, the two primary disinformation agents involved with the MJ-12 hoax at Kirtland in the 1980s. The two birds will appear on Coast to Coast one night in late April, no doubt to attempt to rebut my factual, well-documented criticism of the poop they have been spreading around on the web.
One item mentioned in the new paper is based on the research of the Reality Uncovered team, who found and posted evidence proving that Doty’s claims–in his co-authored book with Collins, Exempt from Disclosure–of having attended law school and having passed the New Mexico bar exam are completely false.
Moreover, as a result of the article’s recent widespread circulation on the web, Timothy S. Cooper, a leading figure in a more recent episode of the MJ-12 saga, admitted to me in writing, for the first time anywhere, that he now considers all of the MJ-12 material fraudulent, including the “documents” he provided to the Woods in the 1990s. That revelation is presented in Update 1.
I applaud this website’s examination of the ongoing MJ-12 drama and I hope that this post will prompt the readers here to review what I have written.
My own 35-year research into UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites is summarized at my website, ufohastings.com. My July 18, 2008 appearance on Larry King Live is still on YouTube.
–Robert Hastings
@Robert Hastings: very good, Robert – thanks for chiming in! Will you be in Roswell this July? We should meet up.
@Robert Hastings: Have you considered the possibility that the nuclear-UFO connection was entirely human? That is, to justify nuclear weapons in the late 40s and 50s, a commensurately “unimaginable” threat had to loom in the background – that it would be handy to have something bigger than the Soviets in one’s back pocket in case that card needed to be drawn? My view is that the alien angle has proven very useful to the military industrial complex. It sounds a bit silly to us, but to people of decades ago, when Sci-Fi was “born” in motion picture media it might have sounded less absurd since space was (relative to now) COMPLETELY unknown to humanity. As the years went on, the angle had other uses where convenient.
@Robert Hastings: Then again, maybe there’s a connection to man-made wingless craft and nuclear power of the type hinted at in Nick Redfern’s recent book on Roswell: my lengthy review here: http://www.michaelsheiser.com/Redfern%20Review.htm.
MSH: Have you considered the possibility that the nuclear-UFO connection was entirely human?
RH: Respectfully, this scenario only works for those unfamiliar with the facts. At my website, ufohastings.com, I have posted an article, “UFO Sightings at ICBM Sites and Nuclear Weapons Storage Areas.” I recommend that you read it.
MSH: Then again, maybe theres a connection to man-made wingless craft and nuclear power of the type hinted at in Nick Redferns recent book on Roswell.
RH: My comment above also applies to Redfern’s musings. He has missed the boat entirely on Roswell, and many other things, IMHO. When one uses Rick Doty and his ilk as sources of information, the outcome is predicatbly bad.
Robert
@Robert Hastings: Nick is using a lot more than Doty. These really aren’t answers, but I will check out your article. Data is one thing; sifting data is another, and there is always more than one way to construct meaning from data.
I am with R Hastings regarding the Documents but I am familiar with all Doty’s info or disinfo from Linda Howe’s work. It is obvious nothing Doty says can be believed but the real question is why would the united states air force put all that out there in first place if there were no real ET flying vehicles. See Rich Dolan’s Books. I am reading volumn 2 of UFO’s and the National Security State now and believe me it is worth the read. Order your copy at keyholepublishing.com. Thanks, Bill
@ioobill: one possible reason: because promoting a belief in ET gives the military industrial complex an enemy that will never go away when it’s needed.
Robert Hastings seemed to rebuff the “entirely man made” hypothesis with a quick dispatch to his web site. Being as this exchange took place 4 years ago, this is a long time to elapse without further discourse with Hastings in order to extract what exactly is on his web site that rules out the the “possibility that the nuclear-UFO connection was entirely human”.
MSH postulates that MIndustrial Complex likes perpetual threats so they can play forever.
I sympathize with the “play forever” factor that drains our GNP and starves us of any trickle-down benefits from by products of black budgets. This is well known behavior by the MIB. But, as in The Facade, (Book by MSH) a picture is painted of senior military brass (The Colonel) being partly if not completely compromised by a multi-dimensional entity. This hypothesis seems to be in conflict with the “entirely human” hypothesis.
If, as MSH postulates in his book, multi-dimensional entities are subverting the command and control of black military operations, why split hairs? The Colonel, while he looks, feels, smells and sounds like a human- regrettably, no longer qualifies as a human. Instead, the human, earthen vessel has become an “earthen vessel whose surpassing power of greatness” is not of God but of a “son of disobedience”.
A quick return to http://www.ufohastings.com/articles/ufos-reported-by-civilians-living-within-malmstrom-afb-s-nuclear-missile-field yields 2013 evidence that these Malmstrom AFB continues to this day, over thirty years since the first eye witness testimony from Malmstrom. We also know that START1, START2 and other Arms Reduction Talks have taken place since the 1964 “Big Sur Incident”. These talks were ratified but START2 was never implemented. Start1 final implementation in late 2001 resulted in the removal of about 80 percent of all strategic nuclear weapons then in existence.
Therefore, evidently, the interference by UFOs at ICBM bases continues to this day, despite the reduction of 80 percent of strategic nuclear arms in the world. Since this is the case, it may be fair to say that the hypothesis of a UFO hoax in order to create a perceived threat to national security so as to make more ICBMs is clearly ineffective with an 80% reduction over the past 30 years. If “entirely human” triangular “TR3b” type aircraft are creating these intrusions in Montana this past September, 2013, then they may wish to find some other strategy other than drilling missile operations teams by disabling nukes in their silos in order to increase black budgets.
See my earlier note about dumping “ET”.
Hastings is a forthright researcher, but the problem is that, despite the credibility of this case, he cannot and does not know (and neither does anyone associated) that the source was extraterrestrial or anything non-human. The only reason the mind jumps to that is the technological superiority. That is an argument for, not evidence of, ET. Since the Germans were doing things in the 40s (there are patents) that the MJ docs say were ET, I don’t buy the technology = ET argument. The MJ docs don’t either – in many places. The narrative is mixed. And in one, you have all the ingredients for the Nazi WWII method for fissionable uranium without a reactor. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. SO, no, I really don’t find the technological prowess as coherent proof for ET. And that’s the ONLY reason the mind jumps there in cases like this. I think that jump makes people at DARPA high-five each other.
U.S. wasted up to $60B in Iraq, Afghanistan: panel – World – CBC …
http://www.cbc.ca/…/u-s-wasted-up-to-60b-in-iraq-afghanistan-panel-1.1035115
Aug 31, 2011 – The United States has lost billions of dollars to waste and fraud in Iraq … the Pentagon comptroller during President George W. Bush’s first term.