UPDATE:
The more I look at this image the more I think something’s wrong here. I have a suspicion but I’ll withhold it for now. I just want to note that another possibility has come to mind (and I’m not a “face” believer as my original post below makes clear). I wonder if the same notion that occurred to me just now will occur to Richard or Dave. At any rate, here is the page for the photo on the HiRise website via the University of Arizona. Do you see what I see? (I see what appears to be an incongruity in the photo data — but I’ll wait to see if Richard or Dave comment).
ORIGINAL POST:
The new extreme close-up image of the “face” on Mars should finally put this to rest. There is absolutely nothing in the famous Cydonia region resembling a face or even anything “structural.” Even the other “structures” in the region with the “face” don’t show up in the new photo. It’s like they missed the right location! (But no one has demonstrated that, so we’ll assume they got it).
I never bought into there being a face at Cydonia, as readers who follow my work know. The reason wasn’t because I don’t consider the idea of intelligent life on Mars or elsewhere in our solar system (or beyond) impossible. The reason was the weakness of the data, and the relentless spinning of that data by “face” researchers. I never found it persuasive.
I personally know two of the researchers heavily engaged in “face” research. I speak of Richard Hoagland and David Flynn. I went to their respective websites today and saw nothing posted about the new photo. It was obviously not good news for them. I have some thoughts about how I hope the death of the “face” prompts them in terms of their research.
With respect to Richard, it will be painful if Richard goes the denial route — the notion that the new image isn’t real, or is doctored, or (worse) still shows a face. He will cross into the realm of the comical if he does that, so I hope he doesn’t. I know, many of you think he’s already there, having gone on that trip some time ago, but I think that response is not only unkind, but unfair. Think what you will about Richard (he is of course very controversial), but the older data was anomalous and got serious peer-reviewed attention (Carlotto, McDaniel). Now we have new, better data, and that should be allowed to take center stage, even though it eliminates the “face.”
As I noted already, I didn’t buy what Richard was saying about the “face,” nor his (to me) incomprehensible mathematical proofs for it. But his real contribution is likely the hyper-dimensional physics model, which doesn’t need the “face” to be real at all. I’m a physics bonehead, but I know enough science to know that if a model has successfully predicted certain things (and his has), then there is something to *that* at least. But the “face” and all he has erected upon it (“earth-Mars” connections, Martian-human heritage, that sort of thing) needs to fade into the past. I also don’t buy into most of what Richard says about moon artifacts and all the elements of his NASA conspiracies. That said, I do believe he has marshaled enough evidence (and we’ll throw in the life story of Jack Parsons here for good measure) to demonstrate that it’s reasonable to think that at least a few people in NASA have intellectually married the agency’s mission to occult religious beliefs. High office does not translate into or away from *any* set of ideas. Parsons might have occult kindred spirits at NASA. My hope is that Richard will do what a scientist would in the wake of the new photo: say he was wrong, junk all the ideas rendered null by the error, and then concentrate on the working hypotheses that remain.
I think the new Cydonia photo might be more serious for David Flynn since he had attached a few theological ideas to the “face” (but it doesn’t need to be). Dave is very gifted and, in my judgment, a valuable resource as a thinker (albeit my reasons for attributing value to his work are probably different than most who are familiar with his work). My hope for Dave is that he will be willing to dispense with the “face” and focus on what I’ve always wished he’d focus on: occult history and — more importantly — doing what is necessary to teach that history to a popular audience. Going forward, Dave will hopefully learn an important lesson: correlation does not mean causation. One can “see” all sorts of connections between things that might mean *something* but may not be at all related to a cause-effect relationship (and of course they may mean nothing at all). In short, I hope this makes him more cautious without paralyzing his work.
I’d love to see Dave do more in regard to teaching the principles of sacred geometry, gematria, numerology, and occult history, especially to a Christian (yes, I said Christian) audience. Why? Because the thoughts Dave thinks were the thoughts of very important “schools” in the ancient world — schools that produced their own “occult hermeneutic” for the Bible and biblical theology. Dave is one of the few people who speak that language today. If he could teach people this lost way of thinking, we could more easily decipher the erroneous theological thinking of aberrant groups in early Christian history, like the Gnostics, for example. Basically, Dave could be an important resource for understanding a variety of “mystical” approaches to the Bible that are just very hard to comprehend nowadays.
The “face” on Mars has nothing to do with this per se, but Dave has factored it in at points (and it in turn has had an impact on his eschatology). My hope is that he can let go and still see clearly how valuable he can be to Christians interested in understanding early occult theology, My own view is that our world is rapidly re-paganizing — that is, we are sort of moving back to the early Christian era, where orthodox Christianity was a minority view, surrounded by all sorts of mystery religions and pagan religions. Whether the Church wants to admit it or not, we are living in a substantially post-Christian world. Dave can help us make sense of that world, thereby equipping the Church to minister to it and intellectually rebut it.
I don’t believe that is a sculpture of a face. BUT
The new picture is basically useless. It’s like you showed me an extreme close-up of a brick and then said, “See! It’s not a wall!” You are right, it’s not a wall. It’s part of a brick.
Add in the fact that there is no scale marked or associated with this picture, that the picture is rendered in false color of unknown meaning, and that no attempt is made to physically correlate the famous “face” photo to this one.
I am left with the well-supported conclusion that NASA is either totally incompetent, or screwing with me. I am strongly leaning toward incompetence, but Hoagland/Flynn/et. al. will lean strongly toward conspiracy and I can definitely see why.
I’m only vaguely familiar with Hoagland and Flynn so I can’t speak to their theories. However, I’ve always thought that the “face” could be at least possible. I can see the possibility of an ancient civilization there without going as far as humans came from Martians. On the other hand, it does not rock my world if the whole thing is not true. I do not believe, however, that this new photo does a very good job at dispelling the possibility of the face because all Im seeing is a bunch of landscape with pretty colors. I cant see how it corresponds to the landscape of the face photo at all. I suppose were being asked to simply take the word of NASA but why should I do that? And even if I do, they need to offer more than this to put the face theory to rest. Mike, Im surprised that you are not a little more skeptical. It has not been too long ago that you were predicting a myth about panspermia and a Martian civilization being given an official stampfor the purpose of fooling the public. How do we know that this photo is not purposely vague to further the façade? If I want to generate more suspicion in order to further a conspiracy to fool the public, this is exactly the sort of evidence Id produce. It reminds me of the ridiculous statements that the Air Force gave about Mogul balloons, crash test dummies, and time conflation for explaining away Roswell. Anyway, just my two cents.
First, I don’t make predictions. I express suspicions and/or suggestions. Second, you may have missed my update comments to this post (see the original). I do have a suspicion here, but I’d be more apt to chalk up what I see to stupidity than conspiracy.
I am not familiar with Flynn yet, but my confidence in Hoagland’s work is not very high. It seems he either shows NASA photos as evidence of some conspiracy, or he tells us not to trust NASA photos. Sometimes it’s both at the same time. I’m finding more and more of this kind of behavior in the conspiracy world every year.
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Mike,
I did not see your update before I posted my response. As for you predicting things, I simply used that word because you did at one point when speaking of this issue:
Sound weird? Try this scenario / set of predictions on for size: I predict (and I am no prophet), that in my lifetime (assuming it extends another 30 years or so to a natural endpoint) the following will transpire:
(1) We will hear that life exists on Mars, and that intelligent life once existed on Mars. To prop this up, we will be treated to certain anomalous pictures, reports, and even artifactual evidence brought back from Mars once we get there. These anomalies will be produced for our consumption through official channels, namely NASA. This is of course Richard Hoagland’s dream (former science adviser to Walter Cronkite). In case you’ve never heard of him, I’d advise you to go to his website and keep track of his soap opera relationship with NASA over the release of Mars images – and his “counter-mythology” about NASA’s own agenda. The former is more important to monitor if you’re just getting your feet wet on this. I should point out that the existence of artificial structures on Mars (if they are actually real) does not threaten a biblical worldview in the least. Only when wedded to number two below do we have an anti-biblical agenda. (http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/03_Global/030206.History.Chan.censor.html)
However, as you say there, you are not a prophet, and I never intended to suggest that you are. I simply meant that you have said before that the scenario described above might happen. Obviously it hasnt yet, or at least not altogether.
I will admit, though, that I had not gone to the HiRISE website before I posted my other response, and now that I see it, I understand that the close-up picture is only a fraction of the larger mesa. But the thing is, theres going to be a lot of people out there who make the same mistake I did. Theyre going to see the one close-up picture that originally appeared on the Fox news website, placed side-by-side with the face, and not see any resemblance between the two. Most people will probably not investigate further and will probably conclude that this is just a whitewash on the part of NASAat least those people who sort of already believe the face is real.
That is all I meant when I said it could further a conspiracy. As you said in that earlier quote, anomalous pictures from Mars will come through official channels. I think that the mass public, many of whom are already prone to believe in this stuff, will not stop believing based on the new picture being circulated. And it might even cause more suspicion.
As I said before, I really have no great emotional investment in finding out that life is, or has been, on Mars. I think it is possible that God created life elsewhere, but I certainly do not link it to our origins here on earth. It is a neat idea, but for me, thats all it is.
yeah, I do think those things will happen, but I don’t want to speak as though I have some inside track — it’s just an opinion. I’m surprised neither Richard nor Dave have had anything to say about the new photo.
Michael,
Why do you refer to Hoagland as a science advisor to Cronkite? Hasn’t this claim been clearly dispelled as either an exaggeration (charitable reading) or lie (uncharitable reading)?
Re-read the post; I didn’t call him that. That is how Richard refers to himself in introductions and such. I really don’t know anything about his background other than what he says, and what his critics say (Phil Plait over on Bad Astronomy.com has gone after Richard’s credentials). I’m not vested enough in Richard’s work that I feel the need to play Geraldo in the matter. I’m just not a “face” believer. The hyperdimensional physics model goes by other names and elements of it have been affirmed as something worthy of study / hypothesis by credentialed people (without attaching any metaphysical significance to the stuff). I’m willing to let Richard have some points for that, whether he knew Walter Cronkite or not.
Well Mike you didn’t bother to squint your eyes and tilt your head or you’d see that the face is still there .
Yeah being a big fan of Dave’s work I do see your point on how correlation does not mean causation . When Dave dives in to the occult and sacred geometry those parts of his presentations seem to to be the most coherent .
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