I just read through the comments and one reader asked about Ezekiel 29 — how the passage is being used to predict yet future events (turns out in this case, before the 2012 doomsday; how ominous).
I’m speaking at a conference in 2013 that may surprise some of you: Future Congress 2. If you go the speakers’ profiles, there I am, right under the picture of Hal Lindsey. It’s not a fake page. Better take a screen shot of it.
The conference itself has a number of popular prophecy speakers, though the focus isn’t supposed to be prophecy (some of the prophecy speakers are doing other things). I can only tell you I agreed to this after getting a clear thumbs up from the organizers that I can say what I think. I can and will, if there is some point to make. I’m no loose cannon, but I don’t like people being taught poorly.
The organizers let me know the date for the event was deliberate — it’s after December 21, 2012, scheduled on Jan 4-6, 2012, in Dallas. So they expect to still be there (and of course, so do I, at least as that concerns the non-credibility of the 2012 hoopla — Christian hoopla included). One of my topics will be familiar to readers of this blog (“What You Know May Not Be So: How Biblical Prophecy is Unclear and Why”). The others actually pertain (in certain respects) to research I’ve been doing for the sequel to my novel, The Facade. The sequel will be my chance to go after why all this “prophecy becomes clear when we read the newspaper” stuff can (and I think will) be so damaging to the believing church. I’ll use fiction to get the ideas across. But back to Future Congress 2 …
I’m thinking about showing some specific examples of absurd and misguided predictions made by Christians in regard to the 2012 doomsday nonsense. The link I saw this morning on the Comments page gave me the idea to ask for more. So, if you find any, please send (by email: mshmichaelsheiser@gmail.com) links to current 2012 Bible prophecy predictions. Especially “valuable” will be examples of prophetic interpretation like the Harbinger twaddle — but 2012 needs to be their focus or I can’t use them.
I just hope they package your audios separate… except for perhaps Edwin Griffin, I am not sure I want anyone else’s audios….
no idea what they will do.
You are not listed on the schedule?
If you hover over “featured speakers” you’ll see my name in the drop-down menu. On the schedule I appear three times (it’s crowded, so search the schedule page for my name).
Um, correct me if Im wrong, Mike, but isnt January 46, 2012 about eleven months before December 21, 2012? In fact, isnt January 46, 2012 in our own past? Which obviously means youre going to hook up with your alien pals so they can transport you back in their time machines, right? ;-p
yep, Chris — I’m chronologically challenged!!
It’s 2013. I’ll correct that — but your comment will live here forever!
Seems to me Jesus is quoted in Luke somewhere stating, “All prophecy has been fulfilled”. At least as regards the OT, that should cause serious believers to pause before assuming any of it is about our future.
I’m going to make an effort to attend this since it’s in my home state .
introduce yourself if you get there!
Well I wrote a book with Tom Horn that commented on a Jesuit theologian Rene Thibaut who predicted the final pope in 2012 based on the St. Malachy Prophecy.
See: http://books.google.com/books?ei=wwl-UN-CGYbc9AS58IHQAg&id=lzQZAAAAIAAJ&dq=Rene+Thibaut&q=2012#search_anchor
Of course, he wrote this book in 1951 so it would hard to accuse him (or me) of jumping on the Mayan calender bandwagon. We were already working on the book when I found it and I was shocked to discover a 2012 connection.
The world won’t be ending in 2012 — I’ll bet you a dinner. (Yes, I know if you’re right you won’t get to collect). 🙂
I have never thought that it would and Rene Thibaut only predicted the the final Pope on Malachy’s list would come to power 2012… his time is running out quick but it really doesn’t reflect on anyone but Thibaut. Even the ending of the Malachy prophecy is not the “end of the world” rather the judgment of Rome. Anyhow our book only comments on the predictions made by others and I repeatedly emphasized that we were not setting dates. Still. I think it’s fascinating that a Jesuit arrived at 2012 back in 1951.
why would it be fascinating? The Mayans didn’t *predict* anything. Is the 2012 meme deriving from another source to create the intersection?
OHHHHH, this should be very interesting as methinks many will be shocked and amazed at how you coherently unravel what others accept as basic assumptions of Biblical interpretation.. I wouldn’t miss it for the world and will introduce myself. I look forward to hearing you.
please do