Jack Brewer reported a few days ago that the erstwhile (and shady) Steven Greer is at it again. Jack’s piece begins this way:
Dr. Steven Greer announced yesterday he received photos of alleged classified government documents related to Project Aquarius, a purported operation involving the retrieval of crashed extraterrestrial spacecraft and occupants. Greer stated the photos were received May 21. He tweeted yesterday they were “received in mail”.
Some of the alleged new documents involve briefings of MJ-12, the highly secret intelligence group associated with the so-called Majestic Documents. Most people in the UFO research community think they are bogus, given their tortured history. Readers will know (and Jack points out) that I had some of those documents linguistically analyzed for authenticity. They didn’t do well. Back in 2007, the MUFON Journal (MUFON = the Mutual UFO Network) devoted 70 pages to a lengthy “state of the question” article on the Majestic Documents (starts on page 3 of the link). They don’t do well there, either.
Greer of course is the guy who brought the world the Atacama alien. For those keeping score, that doesn’t exactly land in the credibility column.
The most interesting thing about Brewer’s article is this nugget:
According to the CSETI 2012 IRS Form 990EZ, the organization surrendered its tax-exempt nonprofit status and declared the company a for-profit corporation effective Jan. 1, 2013. Some $177,000 in consultation fees were reported paid to the Greer-owned Crossing Point Inc. during the 2012 accounting period. A total of $180,360 was reported paid to Crossing Point in 2011, and over $214,000 was paid to the company by CSETI in 2010. Expenses paid to Crossing Point were nearly 70 percent of the $833,083 total CSETI revenue reported during the three-year period, according to 990 forms filed to the IRS.
Hope my wife isn’t reading my blog. She’ll wonder why we’re not in this racket. Nice timing for the new “disclosure documents” to appear. Maybe Dr. Greer wants to take a nice summer vacation.
I’m not sold. The Atacama humanoid is 92% human DNA expertly verified, far from the 98% of an ape. Greer’s project, the scope of his witnesses and their quality, as well as inroads in Washington political, military, intelligence, and private sector levels appear to corroborate his narrative as the most legitimate and connected face if the disclosure or UFO truth movement. His claims check out, most of the UFO movement is nutty bull that that leaps at the chance to peddle disinformation and tabloid fodder (Stanton Friedman). Do u have any idea how easy it is for a surgeon to make over $1 million a year when financially motivated? Greer opted to b an emergency room guy out of altruism, he could still make more today practicing his choice of surgical medicine in private practice.
Give us something that corroborates his narrative. Without proof of ET life, the narrative is dead. You can’t use the narrative as proof for the narrative.
Please help me understand: The narrative of the bible proves all biblical facts, correct? How is this different?
I don’t see any correlation between Greer’s claims and the Bible. Unless the biblical authors were milking donors for money to create a film where, even in the film, the marketed item (we have an ET) isn’t supported — by the very geneticist who did the testing).
Is there a correlation?
Thanks for the reply.
Right–the origin of the deceased hominid is not provable with current technology. The fact that it just doesn’t look like anything from “around here” definitely allows for some extrapolation. Even if its look-alike descendants materialized “from space” to claim the body; how would we really know they are, in fact, from another world?
Back to my question: we take the bible on faith; it does not stand up to the scientific method (observe, organize, and explain) very well–therefore, the narrative proves the narrative. What am I missing here?
With respect to the Bible, it depends on what you’re talking about. I don’t ask the Bible to be about something it wasn’t intended to be about (like science). Asking a pre-scientific culture to make scientific claims is unreasonable – can you make it sound reasonable? I can’t.
I don’t believe the Bible makes scientific claims. But lots of people who like the Bible make it be what it isn’t or what it wasn’t intended to be — and so they force it to make such claims that it really doesn’t make when understood on its own terms and in its own context.
I think that’s what you’re missing. It’s time to take the Bible for what it is, not for what people make it to be. That’s far more reasonable.
According to the AMA, Greer made $225,000 the last year he worked as an MD. According to the IRS, Greer made over 1,500,000.00 last year. The photos mentioned above are not on any of his web sites and only a half page letter concerning the MJ-12 that can be found elsewhere. Greer is a sociopath and a con man. At this stage of the game, anyone still enamored with Greer is merely intellectually lazy
This is how I look at this. If the whole UFO/alien story is a hoax like “weapons of mass destruction”, it would either get debunked in the last 6-7 decades, or die out simply because there’re no new stories and people lost interest. Reality is though, where there used to be guys that knew somebody that heard somebody said somebody saw an UFO, to nowadays high caliber witnesses with first-hand contacts came out of shadow to talk about their personal experiences. this is quite something else. and more people come out to share their stories more dots are connected. when you try to debunk Steven Greer, you’re also claiming all those 500+ witnesses he’s gathered behind him are con mans.
I do keep an open mind and always look at both sides of a story. But sorry to say your “articles” don’t offer any actual value in them, “they don’t do well” isn’t enough “evidence” to sway me your way.
Plus Greer continue to push for a Congressional Hearing on this, I hope you know as well as I do what that would mean to him and all those 500+ behind him if this is but a fake. And reason Greer pushes so hard for this, is that this the only way for more witnesses to come forward, their testimony taken under oath are protected by the US Constitution to say everything they know and to their fullest knowledge, and this is the best weapon US Constitution could offer to protect these witnesses against the retaliations because of the non-disclosure agreement they’ve signed.
Another story that came to mind is “Area 51”. No one’s heard of it before Bob Lazar first brought it up in his 1989 interview. The local channel interviewed him again just recently and he still stands by his story even today. And guess what, Obama just became the first President to acknowledge Area 51’s existence. People nowadays probably felt it was public knowledge that Area 51 exist, “everybody knows that”. well not if it wasn’t for guys like Lazar that took it to the public and risked his life for this.
Over the last couple of weeks, I’ve managed to watch a few hours of the testimony for Steven Greer’s disclosure project. Agreed–it’s quite impressive.
Equally impressive is the ongoing suppression of over 500 energy-related patents by U.S. Government agencies for reasons of “national security”. Irrespective of where the technology originated, it does appear that there’s a real “military industrial complex” interest in hoarding all the toys.
If we follow the preponderance of evidence (especially the testimonies of the witnesses), it looks like Greer has a pretty solid case. “Official Denial”, in whatever form, looks exceptionally weak in light of this.
Let’s go a step further, and assume that our “adversaries” already know, and fully comprehend the technology that Greer discusses. By “adversaries”, we can limit it to uncooperative, or adversarial foreign governments or interests. If they already know the U.S. government has the technology, exactly whom is being kept in the dark, and for what reason? My sense is that if the U.S. taxpayers really knew where their money was being spent (and exactly how little, if any oversight was involved)–they would be rather upset.
Does Greer list the suppressed patents? Does he provide a list on his website? Is there proof of the suppression?
That’s a start.
Here are some interesting links, with examples and hard numbers.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html
http://cironline.org/reports/government-secrecy-orders-patents-keep-lid-inventions-4349
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/index.html
Food for thought.
Those make sense.
Of course to know if a patent or technology exists we need proof it exists (and a patent suppressing it by name / description would qualify). But *assuming* a technology or thing exists for which that sort of proof doesn’t exist is unreasonable. It amounts to saying “A exists because B was kept secret.” Totally illogical. So while this is pretty cool information, it’s quite limited (perhaps even useless) in being a practical help for what Greer claims.