Those who have read The Unseen Realm know that I have an atypical perspective on the conquest — specifically, the contention by many that the Israelite conquest was an indiscriminate genocide of the inhabitants of Canaan. My view is that it wasn’t indiscriminate at all, and that wholesale genocide wasn’t the point of the conquest. Rather, the command of to “devote to destruction” (ḥerem/kherem) was focused on the giant clans (denoted by words like Anakim, Rephaim, and, occasionally, Amorites). That is, I believe the rationale for the ḥerem was to eliminate the Anakim, the vestiges of the nephilim (Num 13:32-33), since those peoples were perceived to be (and were, in some way, according to the OT) raised up by rival gods hostile to Yahweh (and thus their own purpose was to prevent Yahweh’s people from kickstarting the kingdom of God on earth). Other people were certainly killed, since the giant clans were scattered among the general population, but I contend the conquest rationale was framed by the urgency to eliminate the nephilim bloodlines. This is textbook “mythic history” (actual historical events framed by, and articulated in light of, theological rationale / beliefs).
I base this position on a few points:
1) There are a range of verbs for what the conquest was supposed to do and what it did do — several of which don’t speak of killing or annihilation. For exampleְ garash (גרשׁ – “to drive out”: Exod 23:28, 29, 30, 31; 33:2; Deut 33:27; Josh 24:12, 18); yarash (ירשׁ – “to dispossess, drive out”: Exod 34:24; Num 21:32; 33:52, 53, 55; Josh 3:10; 12:1; 13:6; 17:12, 13; 23:5, 9).
2) The conquest account actually begins in Moses’ day in the Transjordan — which is specifically aimed at Sihon and Og (Deut 2-3). The latter is clearly a giant, and both are referred to as Rephaim (a term linked to the Anakim in Deut 2:11), kings of the Rephaim, or Amorites (in Amos’ recollection of the conquest, the Amorites are described as very tall – Amos 2:9). Consequently, the conquest begins with giant clans in view.
3) The conquest instructions projecting the days of Joshua begin with what appears to be a general command of ḥerem to the entire land (Deut 7:1-2). Howver, I argue that the use of this verb is designed to take the reader’s mind back to the battles with Sihon and Og. This makes sense because as one proceeds through the conquest, the subsequent uses of ḥerem coincide at places where Anakim giants were seen and known to be present. The particular usage frames the general instance.
I’d like to elaoborate on this perspective in this post.
Where are the Giant Clans in the Land?
Let’s start with the original scouting mission of the land under Moses. Ten of the twelve spies reported that the land could not be taken because of the Anakim, a faithless report that led to the forty years of wandering in the wilderness:
28 . . . the people who dwell in the land are strong, and the cities are fortified and very large. And besides, we saw the descendants of Anak there. 29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the Negeb. The Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the hill country. And the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and along the Jordan.
Let’s note a couple things:
1) The report tells us about the inhabitants of the hill country (Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites), as opposed to the inhabitants who live by the sea and in the Jordan river valley (the Canaanites) and in the Negeb (Amalekites). What is the hill country?
“. . . a general designation in the Bible for those parts of the Holy Land that are hilly rather than flat. Since the land of Palestine has a mountainous spine running its length between the Jordan River to the east and the Mediterranean Sea to the west, any area along that spine can be designated ‘hill country’.” Source: Paul J. Achtemeier, Harper & Row and Society of Biblical Literature, Harper’s Bible Dictionary (San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1985), 393.
“The hill country occupies most of the country between the coastal plain to the W and Jordan to the E. . . .” Source: C. Nicholas Raphael, “Geography and the Bible: Geography of Palestine,” ed. David Noel Freedman, The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (New York: Doubleday, 1992), 968.
To illustrate:
2) Despite the geographical zones mentioned above, the Anakim are simply said to live “there” (i.e., “in the land”). This means that the Anakim were presumably scattered among these other people groups in the land.
3) If we look at the places where the terms “Anakim” and “sons of Anak” occur, we get several more specific geographical references within Canaan (Hebron [aka, Kiriath Arba], Debir, Anab) situated in the hill coutnry, along with the general regional descriptions “all the hill country of Judah” and “all the hill country of Israel.” The Anakim are not said to be found in other areas — just throughout the hill country as it stretches N to S in the land.
4) The cities of Jericho, Jerusalem, Lachish, and Ai are in the hill country, as was Hazor (in Upper Galilee, also part of the hill country). Not surprisingly, towns/cities that the king of Hazor sent aid to vs. the Israelites (and vice versa; e.g., Makkedah, Lachish) are also in the hill country. Though the precise locations of some of these sites are unknown, the biblical narrative associates them all with the hill country.
It’s not hard to see that the giant clan remnants were associated with the hill country. Since this is where the Anakim are said to live, I don’t see the overlap as coincidental, particularly in light of the ḥerem commands and the way the conquest is summarized. I also think it significant that this thread is picked up once Israel gains control of the land again under the monarchy. The accounts of David’s skirmishes with the Philistines (the remnant Anakim fled to the Philistine cities per Josh 11) and particular Goliath and his brothers are not just window-dressing. They telegraph that the giant clan bloodlines are still around — and still need elimination.
The ḥerem / kherem command
Here are all the instances of ḥerem/kherem in the conquest accounts (Numbers through Joshua). Here’s a run-down of where the annihilation command was given:
- Numbers, Deuteronomy = Sihon and Og; warnings to any and all Israelites who get their fellows to follow the gods of the people under ḥerem. Some of the instances are general and, I argue, those must be informed by the particulars in the actual campaigns. This is a “101” principle of Bible study (really, and literary interpretation) that is habitually neglected when it comes to this topic (by evangelicals and atheists alike).
- Joshua 2 = Jericho
- Joshua 6-8 = Ai
- Joshua 10 = Jerusalem, Hebron, Jarmuth, Lachish, Debir, Makkedah. In several instances Joshua and the Israelites pursue the inhabitants to other places, so when we read language like “Joshua left none remaining” in certain instances, the language may refer to the people they were chasing. In any event, the places are all in the hill country.
- Joshua 11 = Hazor (upper Galilee hill country)
I would submit that the above is why Joshua sums up the conquest this way:
Josh 11:21 And Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the hill country of Judah, and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua devoted them to destruction with their cities. 22 There was none of the Anakim left in the land of the people of Israel. Only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod did some remain. 23 So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the Lord had spoken to Moses. And Joshua gave it for an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal allotments. And the land had rest from war.
Notice that the summary doesn’t say, “There were no more [fill in the people name] in the land of the people of Israel” because “Joshua had cut off [fill in the people name].” The conquest is defined as a success along specific lines: elimination of the Anakim from the hill country so that none of them were in Israel’s land.
I also think it’s why the “mop up” that occurred afterward in the days of Joshua also focused on the elimination of the Anakim by Caleb — again in the hill country (Joshua 14-15).
Other lemmas that can speak of life-taking
There are other Hebrew verbs of destruction besides ḥerem. Though that word has very specific theological / ritual connotations, let’s see how other lemmas that can involve killing are used in the book of Joshua.
אבד (ʾabad; “destroy, perish”) – occurs three times (Josh 7:7; 23:13, 16). Each instance has the Israelites in view, not other people. The lemma is used in Numbers 21:30 of the wars against Sihon and Og, and Deut 7 and 9 of the impending warfare in Canaan.
שׁמד (shamad; “destroy”) – This lemma is used in Deut 9 to describe the conquest generally. It is used in Josh 9:24; 11:14, 20; 24:8 of the conquest. There are no added place names. Each of the instances is associated with an instance already noted, in the hill country. This is also the lemma used in Amos 2:9 to describe the demise of the very tall Amorites in Amos’ recounting of the conquest.
שׁחת (shaḥat; “destroy” in certain contexts) – The lemma occurs once in Joshua 23:33, which has Reuben and Gad in view (a civil war nearly started after the conquest).
In a nutshell, what I’m saying is that when the conquest account gives us specifics, it is the giant Anakim targeted for utter destruction. The motivation is inextricably linked to the idea that rival gods seek to prevent Yahweh’s people from re-establishing the kingdom of God on earth. Yes, it’s certain other people were killed in the combat, but the Anakim were the rationale for “required killing.” Other peoples could have simply been driven out and displaced (garash and yarash are “non-lethal lemmas”) without being killed. But not the Anakim.
Why haven’t you heard this before?
I think the answer to that is simple enough — because it requires taking these accounts and Gen 6:1-4; Num 13:32-33 seriously and supernaturally (something that involved divine beings). Instead, evangelical Bible students, pastors, and most scholars strip the passages of their supernatural elements to make them palatable to a modern audience. An ancient reader simply would not have read any of these passages without those elements (and Gen 6:1-4 certainly wasn’t written to respond to non-supernatural religious claims of Mesopotamians). You can of course opt for a modern neutered reading, a common “strategy” from Augustine onward. But if you do that, don’t talk about interpreting the Bible in context. You won’t be.
Postscript
One might ask: Why are the Hittites mentioned in some of these accounts? Who are the Jebusites? The Hivites? What’s the giant connection? Is there one?
Good questions. I’ll only note here that the Hittite version of the famous Hurrian Kumarbi myth makes it clear that “giant heroes” was part of their religion (the Kumarbi text is recognized as the ancient Near Eastern precursor [source?] of Hesiod’s Titan story). See here and here. Giants were chaos symbols / referents in ancient Near Eastern religious texts. It’s quite possible the biblical writers believed giants were among the Hittites living in the region as well. “Jebusite” is still debated as to derivation. The Jebusites are thought by some to be related to the Hurrians and Hittites, which would connect them to the Kumarbi material in terms of the religious ideas Israelites would have associated with them. At any rate, they (along with the Hivites) lived among (or was it the reverse) the Anakim. Little is known of the Ḥivites (and some texts read “Ḥorites” instead — the result of graphic confusion in old Semitic script). Scholars of high stature like Skinner noted that the term comes from the same root (ḥ-w-h) as one Semitic word for “serpent,” though no conclusive evidence has been produced that makes the Hivites some sort of serpent worshiping clan. Horites were, not surprisingly, Hurrian — so we’re back to the Kumarbi / giant/ Titan text. The Ḥorites also lived in the hill country –original the hill country of Seir (Gen 14:6). They were part of the Rephaim / Anakim contingent expelled by Esau from the Transjordan before the days of Moses and Joshua (Deut 2:12, 22). Coincidence? I doubt it.
Hey Mike, time for another “imaginary conversation” with someone. It seemed like everyone liked that one. Here is one God gave me. ( A ) for an for Ancient ( C ) for a contemporary person——-A is conversing with another A , talking about the new organization that has started to record what happens when people act in certain ways. A1 says to A2 ” I see that those partaking in the high places are becoming less and less aware of the things God does in nature” A2 ” Yes, and also are becoming hasty in spirit, and not communicating well” A1 ” Well, that is because of their occupation with the words of the stair builders ,who keep telling them that each step they build has a secret riddle on how to Rule over others” A2 ” Yes,and didnt you just tell me the other day that Methua just found the 458 th way in which Love multiplies itself unto the ever – increasing fullness of God ” . A1 ” Yes, that is why I am afraid for those at the high places, that , instead of taking stairs to heaven, are actually getting off on the lower floors of a 1000 floor scholar building. ” (That’s a term , Mentoree , that I will have to explain to you, for I see that in the far future ,men are going to have to rely on these blessed people called “scholars” to get things right about Love, and God, and even us As”) A2 ” But yes, for sure, that surely is what is happening to the people at the high places. They are ” missing the boat” ( Noah taught me that one) as far as seeing that Love is the key to the universe, and thinking instead that bullying others, is what’s going to make them ascend . A1 ” Well we are going to have to point them to the observation in nature, that , just as ” the righteous man reguardeth the life of his beast, but even the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel” so showing real LOVE to any of Gods creatures, takes one to understandings ,that leaves them, like the high place people ,just stranded in the elevator ,actually. ( Thats an invention Mentoree, that I foresee the ones in the far future will think as an advancement from stairs, but can’t even be compared to what our great Melchizedec will do as He ascends with out aid of either of such things” ! A2 ” Oh, I see A1 ! ! they are getting so depraved at the high places, that they can’t even see the basic foundation of the universe ,Love ! And let me make a prophecy right now A2, — In the far future , men are going to watch this thing called TV, which is going to do the same thing. Their nightly ” news ” is going to be nothing more than what a prophet Isaiahs admonishment will say ,that ,” He who ascends Gods Holy hill, will be some one that stops his ears from hearing of the shedding of blood ! —Will apply to “!! That is just what those at the high places are talking about, they are starting to get even some evil pleasure hearing about killing, that Bullying spirit” ! A2 ” Oh, keep showing us God A1 ” !! — Meanwhile , in C land — C ” Hmmm, I wonder if these ones they are talking about in Gen 6 are just smart men ,who put their all into becoming Really good tall athletes, to show, you know, ” The achievements of mankind ” as they say” ?
About two years ago I asked the pastor at my fairly large church about Genesis 6, as he preached around it. I guess I was testing him to see what he knew with regard to this passage and the mindset of the ancient near Easterner. Of course I asked him in the middle of a crowd of people when it was my turn to talk to him about what he thought the passage meant. He said to me that was a great question and that he would like to answer it for me. Could I please email him the question.I of course obliged.. Like I said I go to a fairly large church that has about 7000 or so members give or take 1000 and the head pastor of course can’t answer every email that he gets.I was routed to one of the associate pastors who sent me an email that ‘answered’ my question like this:
Michael this is Pastor [NAME] I am the Reach Pastor for The Church. The head Pastor forwarded your question to me and ask me to consider an answer for you. Honestly the question being asked has no clear cut answer in the Scriptures. There are related passages that elude to meaning but none are totally conclusive. There are 4 main theories concerning Nephalim in the theological world and none are absolutely solid. I don’t believe we should over speculate on subjects briefly mentioned in the Scriptures unless there is substantial evidence to follow a speculative pattern and come to a reasonable conclusion that marries well with the total Word of God. Having said this we as a church don’t have a definitive interpretation of who Nephalim were exactly. Many great men and women of God have discussed this issue without coming to an agreed conclusion. Sorry we can’t give you a yes or no answer but there simply isn’t enough factual information to conclusively identify exactly who they were.
-Associate Pastor [NAME]
I was so angry. I think
I’m still angry. I need to pray about it! And I love these people. But it was like I was being told – ‘Shut up. Don’t ask questions. You’re not smart enough.’
This was my response to his email:
‘Interesting. I guess you could think of it like this: Why did the God of the Old Testament command the utter destruction of certain groups of men, women, children, and livestock and not others? There was grace and mercy for Nineveh but not for the Philistines and the ‘ites’ of the area… why? They were all paganistic and worshiped Baal / Mars / Moon God / Al-Aliah / Saturn. To command Joshua, the ‘judges’ and so on at certain points of history to destroy young CHILDREN of certain tribes appears to be genocide on the part of the Israelites and makes the God of the Old Testament a maniacal sadistic liar… Of course I don’t believe that God is a sadistic liar… but the ‘why?’ still remains…. Based on the character of God within the entire counsel of the Word of God, the ‘WHY’ question may require an (uncomfortable) paradigm shift for anyone who would seek to answer it. Just a thought. Thanks for your response :-)’
I feel guilty posting this but I felt it the right medium… Thoughts?
El Capitan Obvious out
I have no problem with insisting your pastoral staff study Scripture. Normally, I’d say “give him a copy of the Unseen Realm, or photocopy the Gen 6 chapters (and the chapters on the conquest).” But he may not read it. Honestly, it’s responses like his that have trained people who want to learn not to expect much from their church leadership.
Amen. I have experienced similar and it’s pathetic. But 4 years after the worst I’m still trudging through. It is why you’re going to have to find the answers outside of the bubble they have purposely created for themselves.
How? It’s very simple – you google ‘Divine Council’ and then scan the page using Cmd + (or Ctrl +) F [Find in Page] and type in ‘heis’. You’ll get three things: ‘polytheistic’, ‘monotheistic’ and ‘heiser’. Ha! If it’s the third return, read that part!
that’s kind of clever
I really don’t know what you’re saying here — specifically, how this answers my earlier question about your (apparent) fears about the non-profit.
That is Holy Spirit sharp Mike , to refer back to what I said in that other post. But to be a little bit more discerning , I was not really afraid of having to give money, since , I personally would only be able to give about another ten dollars to it all , since I already have other commitments,and I trust I have learned to throw money cares to the Lord, since He is completely able to supply. So to be even more discerning, I was honestly concerned about you losing Quality, for Quanity, that simple idea. I was concerned for my brother that he ( and we all) don’t try to take on To much, and just excell at ( what seems to me anyway) are the most imminent and beneficial projects, ( like this blog and the Podcast) and then whatever else it is that you just Love to do ,above any of the other things. Just trying to use a little cautious wisdom. I mean, here you were ,telling us that you hardly had time for the blog, and emails, and then your thinking about all these Other projects ?? Rest in this one big luarel Mike, your major book you just put out, which ,let me report to you about. I just went for it the other day, and took a large part of my speaking time in my Lutherans men’s group last Wednesday, and the Holy Spirit enabled me to wittingly speak about the content of your book to the group. It was so neat the way it happened, we were talking about the differences of ethnic divisiveness in rural areas verses those who live in big cities ( our pastor, is from a small little town in northernmost Minn. ) and , as things go, so are a number of the other members of the group, but just as we were about to progress into how things are so contrastedly different in the big cities, where everything is so mixed together, I craftily jumped in with the Holy Turf Theology , and said” On Gods Holy turf, we are not supposed to have divisions like this” , and from there went into how this scholar, named Mike Heiser has just done a scholarly Theological study on how things are supposed to be in the garden places of the earth, ( their home towns, I was comparing it to) and I think that the contrast between rural and big city America is so glaring, that it a perfect thing to use to teach your Theology on ” Holy Turf” ! Whatever the case, it worked wonders, and next week I am going to bring the book and read directly from the book. We are going through a study now from Lutheran Seminary, about ” Church history in America” and it is Prime territory to wittingly introduce your book. But thanks for being honest, and telling me you discerned fear.
I’d like to think quality and quantity will get married if I am ever unleashed.
I’m sorry Mike, it is hard to follow the sequence of these comments sometimes , maybe I am mis- understanding what it means by ” reply” and was just thinking that it follows in order, but I suspect otherwise. To tell the truth, the ” imaginary conversation ” one , was me Hopeing to spark you to do one like this, because I was just thinking how awesome and creative it would be for you to use something like this, with you as the Ancient, and your audience would love it because of your vast knowledge on how ancients thought !
I think it gets tricky with some other verses. So for example,
1) God tells Abraham that he cannot have the land yet because the sin of the Amorites is not upon them yet. Is this talking about Giants then? If so, wouldn’t their sin always have been upon them? Or is this just saying the Amorites sin would coincide with the giants needing to be wiped out?
2) Or how about this verse in I Kings.
בְּנֵיהֶם, אֲשֶׁר נֹתְרוּ אַחֲרֵיהֶם בָּאָרֶץ, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-יָכְלוּ בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, לְהַחֲרִימָם; וַיַּעֲלֵם שְׁלֹמֹה לְמַס-עֹבֵד, עַד הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה.
This is where it says Solomon levied a labor tax on the remaining inhabitants yet uses the word “herem.” Are we to believe that he enslaved giants? If not, than herem could also be understood for all the Canaanites.
3) Sihon only gets destroyed because he went to war after refusing passage to Israel. Had he let them pass, the Israelites would not have sought his destruction.
4) Why would the Givonim have tricked Joshua to spare them? Why wouldn’t Joshua simply have stated to them that they are not the targets of destruction, only surrounding giants were?
5) Deut 20 mentions Israel offering peace to neighbors but that it must destroy (herem) the 7 nations in Israel. No mention of giants in context. The only context that is given is the abominations these nations might cause the Israelites to do……and abominable acts are not limited to giants. All the indigenous people can be doing abominable acts and this passage obligates herem against them….not just giants.
6) And last, at least for me, is the general lack of specific mention of the giants being the reason for the utter destruction of the Canaanite***. Meaning, when they circle Jericho and meet Rahav, there is no mention of the Israelite intention of ONLY killing off the giants. The reader is led to believe ALL of Jericho is the target for simply being Canaanite. Rahav or the spies speak nothing of giants, but instead that everyone is a target. The same goes for Ai and anywhere else.
***I am not saying giants were not PART of the destruction, but that they are not actively spoken of a sole target of the destruction.
What happened to my comment here? 😀
still on the board. I have added it to my to do list this week.
In order:
1) The language here apparently refers to idolatry, something practiced by the Amorites (1 Kings 21:26).
2) I think the point is that slavery under Solomon (of all foreigners, not Israelites) was justified by the conquest. That said, there was no requirement in the law after the conquest to do this. In fact, there were various laws in the Torah *allowing* foreigners (the “stranger”) to live among Israelites in the land in peace (and with a good degree of equity — unless they murdered Israelites or seduced Israelites to idolatry – see below):
Exod 20:21 – “You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. (cp. Exod 23:9)
Lev 16:29 – “And it shall be a statute to you forever that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselves and shall do no work, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you.
Lev 23:22 – “And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.”
Etc. etc.
This tells me this verse in Kings was Solomonic justification of the sort of abusive rule indicated by the people’s protestations toward his successor after he died. In other words, it’s Solomonic propaganda.
3) I don’t see the point in arguing hypotheticals. In any event, I don’t see how your trajectory is consistent or contradictory to my position. Sihon was called a king of the Amorites a number of times (Num 21:21, 26, 29, 34; Deut 2:4, etc.) who are cast as giants (Amos 2:9-10). And yet … one could argue from certain descriptions of the land promise that the Transjordan was not an original part of the promised land. And so, had *these* giants in the TJ not been hostile to Israel, they may legitimately have been spared and Israel could have settled in its land. But once they stood in opposition, Israel was allowed to possess / settle in that land by Yahweh (Num 21:31). But hostile they were, and their connection to the Anakim became part of the explanation as to WHY they were hostile and bent on Israel’s destruction.
4) The Gibeonites were still targeted for removal. Joshua had no divine authority to let them stay. Your question seems to imply that “not killed” = “allowed to stay” — that isn’t what the conquest narrative indicates (nor is it what I’m arguing).
5) The other nations may have some connection to giants (see the footnoted information in the post). Anyone seducing Israelites to idolatry would have been targeted for destruction anyway. Even *Israelites* were subject to the death penalty for that offense. In other words, it would be quite inconsistent if idolatry was passed by just because you didn’t have giants. Note that in Deut 20 the offending (“non-giant” city isn’t peaceful toward Israel). If they made war against Israel, then they were subject to destruction.
I’m arguing the giant clans are the orienting point for the conquest herem, not that no one would be killed if they weren’t a giant. If they seduced Israelites to idolatry, and if they sought the death of Israelites, they forfeited their lives — just as Israelites themselves did under the Mosaic law.
6) I’ve never argued that there was a command to kill only giants. In the book (and elsewhere), people in a given location (Jericho is in the hill country where Anakim were located) living among the giants were also at risk. I’m just arguing that the following points aren’t a coincidence:
a) ridding the land of its occupants begins before Moses and Joshua — in the Transjordan when the descendants of Esau (Abrahamic descendants) got rid of the giants (Deut 2-3).
b) conquest warfare under Moses and Joshua begins with giants (Rephaim, Amorites; Num 21; Amos 2:9-10).
c) the “original” conquest effort of Canaan under Moses fails because of fear of the giant Anakim (Num 13).
d) When the conquest is renewed under Joshua, the places where the spies had seen Anakim earlier (hill country) are the places that the herem is mentioned in *specific* engagements.
e) Joshua defines victory as ridding the land of the Anakim (Josh 11:21-22).
For sure others were killed, as the Anakim appear scattered through the hill country and its towns. But that doesn’t mean it’s the only reason an Israelite warrior would take a life, or that Israelite leadership wouldn’t consider a Canaanite to have forfeited life. Seduction to idolatry and the effort to kill Israelites were equal reasons to take Canaanite life. Both of these were death penalty offenses within Israel among Yahweh’s own people, so why would Canaanites be exempt? These were crimes against Yahweh.
The fact that the giants are specifically linked back to Babylon (Gen 6:1-4 — see the original context of the apkallu) via Num 13:32-33 telegraphs clearly that the conquest was more than simple seeking for land and removing inhabitants. The effort was inherently theological/religious, having deep roots in the notion that rebellious divine powers had done things in antiquity to forbid Yahweh from re-installing his kingdom on earth and, if possible, to kill of his children. That threat originated in Gen 6:1-4, and was thought to be a clear and present danger at the time of the conquest because of the Anakim. The conquest is never cast as indiscriminate and blind. It has a rationale that extends beyond “we want to live there because we believe it belongs to us.”
Do you think that Dan. 7:17 may be hinting at a Nephilim connection since the four great beasts are “arba” (Aramaic) and Josh. 14:15 says that a man named “Arba” (Hebrew) was a great man among the Anakim?
No. “arba” in Hebrew is simply the word for “four” and that occurs all over the place. The use of “arba” as a proper name occurs only in combination with “kiriath” (“city, town”). Note that many English translations isolate “arba” as though it occurs by itself in the text. It actually doesn’t. For example, in the verses below, the word “arba” occurs in the Hebrew text only when combined with “kiriath.” In the three verses below when “Arba” (capitalized” appears by itself, it never actually occurs in the Hebrew text.
Josh 14:15
(ESV) Now the name of Hebron formerly was Kiriath-arba. (Arba was the greatest man among the Anakim.)
More literally, “Now the name of Hebron earlier was Kiriath [“city of four”]; he was the greatest man among the Anakim.” (“He is a personal pronoun; “Arba” as a name is supplied by the translator).
In the next two verses, neither “arba” nor the pronoun occurs — there is nothing in the Hebrew text that produces the English after Kiriath-arba.
Josh 15:13
(ESV)
. . . he gave to Caleb the son of Jephunneh a portion among the people of Judah, Kiriath-arba, that is, Hebron (Arba was the father of Anak.
More literally, “. . . he gave to Caleb the son of Jephunneh a portion among the people of Judah, Kiriath-arba, that is, Hebron, the father of Anak [or, the father who is Anak; or possibly, the Anakites — the problem is that Anak here has the definite article, which does not go on proper personal names].
Josh 21:11 is basically the same as above.
In other words, don’t make much of Anak as a proper personal name. It’s really not that simple. And there is certainly no reason to import it to Daniel. Some scholars think “city of four” should be “city of the Anakim” for precisely the reason I indicated — Anak should not have the definite article appended if it’s a proper personal name.
Thank you so much for your clear answer. I have been wondering about this for a long time.
Compare this teaching to that of William Lane Craig. He doesn’t mention Gen 6:1-4.
https://youtu.be/9FGv9aOCcyU
So? He’s a philosopher (and a wonderful guy — know him). If the point is that people whose doctoral training isn’t in biblical Hebrew and Semitics are more capable at handling the Hebrew text in its ancient Near Eastern context, that would be absurd — and Bill would agree.
Hmmm… So all trained in Hebrew and Semitics agree on this? I don’t have to know Hebrew to understand the inhabitants were evil. That might have something to do with their destruction. Shouldn’t you have mentioned that above?
No – go back and read what I just wrote. it isn’t clever to pretend someone said what they didn’t say.
Read the article again and must have missed the part about evil inhabitants again. Read your reply again and you infer the reason you differ with Craig is because of your training. If that’s not what you mean then what do you mean? Who’s being honest here?
Bill Craig has little or no knowledge of ancient Near Eastern contexts or worldview — most importantly, the Mesopotamian context for all of this (see my post on Annus’ important work on the origin of the Watchers and the apkallu). Bill also never claimed he did. Believe it or not, all scholars are not trained in the same areas or subjects. So yes, my training puts me at an advantage for understanding an issue that is intimately tied to that sort of material.
The issue isn’t about honesty. It’s about being informed. Bill Craig has little or no knowledge of ancient Near Eastern contexts or worldview — most importantly, the Mesopotamian context for all of this (see my post on Annus’ important work on the origin of the Watchers and the apkallu). He was never trained in these sorts of things and has never claimed he was. Believe it or not, all scholars are not trained in the same areas or subjects. So yes, my training puts me at an advantage for understanding an issue that is intimately tied to that sort of material. It works both ways. My training puts me at a significant disadvantage when it comes to deep philosophical inquiry of the sort that Bill is famous for (e.g., cosmological questions related to the Big Bang and causation).
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the elaboration. I do appreciate you taking the time to write these mini-articles for the public.
This is certainly an unorthodox view, and I raised my eyebrow when I read through it in Unseen Realm. Nonetheless, you’ve supported it to some degree.
Would you mind talking about the other common viewpoints that are supported as well, and why your viewpoint beats theirs? I understand that you consider the supernatural viewpoint absolutely integral to the text: but – what other viewpoints are textually valid?
(Of course, if you’ve already published a paper on this in a peer reviewed journal, I’m sure you’ve covered this quite well: what’s the citation? 😀 )
Regards,
Paul
The other views are out there in quite a few places, so they are well known. Folks can compare. There’s a pile of other things to do ahead of this. For other views to be “better” they have to first explain (1) why Israelite writers and readers would divorce the conquest narratives from the supernatural worldview — esp. since the conquest effort begins and ends with the Anakim. I don’t think doing that is at all coherent. But once someone admits the conquest is tied to the religious worldview, other views need to explain (2) why they haven’t made the Anakim references the focus. Again, that isn’t coherent. My goal, as always, is to ask how the original supernaturalist writers and readers would have parsed the material. So other views that don’t ask that or do that have to explain why they don’t.
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the gracious answer to my ignorant self.
Regards,
Paul
Still not clever. Flippancy doesn’t merit my time.
Lol. It’s been 8 months 🙂
what’s been eight months?
I had asked “What happened to my comment here?” YOu said you added it to your to do last. That was 8 months ago 🙂
I know; I’m 300 emails behind. It just drops off the radar. I don’t even remember what list this was. I know I have an email from you in my In Box though — that’s still visible.
Dr. Heiser,
I’ve been searching your site for anything you might have on Deut 22, specifically Deut 22:28-29. Do you have any material that discusses these verse or maybe a podcast? Thank you.
The only thing that touches on it )very peripherally — and you’d have to read the article) is the episode on Ham’s sin and the curse of Canaan. It touches on the Hebrew idiom “uncover his father’s nakedness.” The episode revolves around the work in a particular article by Bergsma and Hahn (which can be accessed via a protected folder if you subscribe to my newsletter). Here’s the episode link:
http://www.nakedbiblepodcast.com/naked-bible-159-noahs-nakedness-the-sin-of-ham-and-the-curse-of-canaan/