In this post I want to turn to 2 Peter 1:20-21 and share a few thoughts on how this passage dovetails with my views on 2 Tim 3:16. Here’s the passage (ESV):
20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I’m with the majority (I suspect) that would argue that “prophecy” here refers to any sort of utterance from a prophetic (or apostolic) figure that wound up getting recorded in Scripture. (Though the passage says “spoke” it can be applied to the production of Scripture since what was spoken was often written or written about). No argument there. The passage makes it clear that no part of the Scripture was produced ONLY of human origin. No argument there, either, as readers will know. In my post on 2 Tim 3:16, I argued that the immediate source of Scripture was the human writers, while the ultimate source was God. I also argued that the former could not exist or function without the latter. The divine element, though not immediate, is primary.
I think the issue for some in this text might be that some would imagine Peter’s statement that “men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” to be in conflict with my position. It doesn’t, and I hope I can clearly explain why.
Those who don’t take my view would likely argue that Peter’s statement looks a lot like total control of the authors by the Spirit in producing the Scripture. They might like the standard proof-text for this idea obtained by searching for the lemma behind “carried” (φερω): Acts 27:15, 17. In Acts 27, the ship in which Paul, his fellow prisoners, and their captors was on was said to have been “driven” (φερω) by the wind in these two verses. It is argued by extension that, as the ship was totally controlled by the wind and moved wherever it blew, so the human authors were totally controlled by the Spirit. For those like the authors of the Westminster (seminary) addendum, who want to deny human decision in authorship and word choice (they deny anthropopneustos), this description would apparently suggest that the human authors were incapacitated by the Spirit in some way so that what they produced was only theopneustos and in no sense anthropopneustos. Remember, in that view, the Scriptures can originate ONLY from God.
This is fallacious reasoning that uses selective reference to the lexicon to prop itself up.
The analogy between the ship and the human writers is flawed. There are little incongruities, like the fact that a ship doesn’t have a brain, a will, or self awareness. Then there is the recurring problem of how a total overtaking of the authors is not to be equated with either a dictation view of Scripture’s origin, or an automatic writing view. The description sounds a lot like automatic writing to me, where the author is overtaken by an entity (in this case the Holy Spirit) so that what he writes is not his own, but is only reflective of the mind and will of the controlling agent. It is as though the author’s mind goes blank, or perhaps doesn’t go blank but is utterly controlled by the agent, so that not a single word of what is produced can be attributed to the human being. Remember, we must deny anthropopneustos in this view. Now, while I think the X-Files was the television event of my lifetime, I don’t want Fox Mulder doing my NT exegesis. This sounds a lot like something he would suggest. It would be very easy for me to note the use of φερω in Mark 15:22 where the object of the verb is Jesus: “And they brought him to the place called Golgotha (which means Place of a Skull).” I don’t think we want to argue that Jesus was “driven” by ONLY his captors to the cross. No, he was there by the will of his Father and his own decision to submit to the Father. (We’ll see more examples below of how φερω should not be construed as utter control).
I believe 2 Peter 1:20-21 clearly gives us both elements of inspiration, the human and the divine. I would argue that, like 2 Tim 3:16, this passage lets us know that the human element was not exclusive or primary but does not deny the human element. 2 Peter 1:20-21 does not suggest the human element was not real, nor does it assert that the human element had nothing to do with the results. The divine does not erase the human or make the human unnecessary. In reality, if the dictation or automatic writing view were the truth, it is that view which would indeed make the human element superfluous, save that the Spirit needed a body to use (which is the essence of automatic writing). No, God could have become embodied to directly dictate (“man to man” as it were) or to write himself. He didn’t choose either.
Let’s talk a little bit more about the verb φερω. When it is used where one intelligent being with will and self-awareness (the subject) is acting upon another intelligent being with will and self-awareness (the object), the subject’s action does not nullify, erase, or otherwise obliterate the intelligence, will, and self awareness of the object. Some cases in point:
Mark 1:32 – That evening at sundown they brought (φερω) to him all who were sick or oppressed by demons.
Mark 7:32 – And they brought to him a man who was deaf and had a speech impediment, and they begged him to lay his hand on him.
Are we to conclude that φερω “by definition” is to be understood as it is used in Acts 27:15, 17 of the mindless, lifeless ship? Did people have to compel the blind, lame, and deaf to go see Jesus so they could be healed? Were all these incidents situations where the will of the object had to be subdued so the object became passive? This reasoning is, of course, silly. And I’d add that arguing that this verb ITSELF rules out all other external decision-making capabilities of the prophetic figures in 2 Peter 1:20-21 because of the analogy of the ship in Acts 27:15, 17 is plain old sophistry. We don’t need to play such games.
So how do I understand “carried along” (φερω) here? The same way I understand it in the above examples: assistance. As I expressed in my previous post, “God was in the process” any way he desired to be, and by any means. I don’t rule out direct influence, such as a supernatural appearance to a writer, but if and when such instances happened, they didn’t make God the immediate source of the Scriptures as a whole (or even at all). If we take a larger, providential view of the Spirit’s assistance to the writers, that could occur via the Spirit creating the circumstances for a particular conversation to occur, where the writer was influenced in some way to write something. It could mean bringing a source of information to a writer (a person or book). It might mean that the Spirit used the Old Testament itself to move a writer to write something. The means were varied and broad. The end was that Scripture was the product of human writers assisted by the Spirit. The divine element doesn’t lose credit in this view; it actually becomes bigger and more far-reaching in the way it plays out.
There is simply no need to divorce the product of the process from human authors. So why do so many want it that way?
Dr. Heiser, OK so now you need to come clean, do you or do you not believe that every jot and tittle are inspired by God. When I took my hermeneutics class a long while ago, we were being taught how to immerse ourselves in the text by counting word repetitions and identifying other such things. I asked the instructor if counting the kai’s is pointless or not because they are repeated so much and they hardly ever revealed any significance by mere repetition. He replied that every word and letter is inspired by God and he places (or allows his human agents to place) exactly where he wants things placed. So my question to you is; would you agree with my instructor that every word AND letter is inspired by God and infallible in its original manuscripts?
I think this will definitely clear some things up….because to be honest with you, I do not see where your contention lies because the axe you have to grind against these theopneustos ONLY guys are not the view held by the Chicago statement and the mainline evangelical belief on inspiration and infallibility. And quite frankly, I doubt that the Westminster guys really hold the strict view that you have been battling against. I just think they chose words in a short statement that does not convey their entire understanding of the issue at hand. Ennis’ shunning probably will be shown to be justified in time.
Grace be with you,
Chris
Chris: You ask:
Dr. Heiser, OK so now you need to come clean, do you or do you not believe that every jot and tittle are inspired by God.
** it’s hard to believe you’re asking this question at this point. Where have I allowed for any part of Scritpure to not come from God? If you can send that back to me, then I’ll risk being redundnant.
“He replied that every word and letter is inspired by God and he places (or allows his human agents to place) exactly where he wants things placed. So my question to you is; would you agree with my instructor that every word AND letter is inspired by God and infallible in its original manuscripts?”
** this is poorly worded, since it’s actually two separate questions. For the second one (guess I DO have to be redundant here), yes, all Scripture, every word, has an ultimate point of origin with God (in terms of the original thing produced, what we call the autographs). That brings us to the first question. I don’t like your professor’s wording. He said:
“every word and letter is inspired by God and he places (or allows his human agents to place) exactly where he wants things placed” – my problem is that God doesn’t place the words; the writers do. Second, God doesn’t “allow” them to place the words in terms of Him taking control of their minds and bodies and guiding their arms, fingers, or voice to the stenographer like Paul used, or the arm and fingers of the stenographer. My view is that God influenced people to write; then they wrote; then God looked at the result and either approved it, had them do it better through another draft or a companion’s advice (or whatever). There’s more to it (such as later editing that occurred, say, after the prophetic figure’s death), which I will describe in a future post.
** You wrote: “To be honest with you, I do not see where your contention lies because the axe you have to grind against these theopneustos ONLY guys are not the view held by the Chicago statement and the mainline evangelical belief on inspiration and infallibility. And quite frankly, I doubt that the Westminster guys really hold the strict view that you have been battling against.”
** Then maybe you can ask them why they wrote it. Peter Enns has been lurking on this blog (I know since he emailed me). If I was misunderstanding Westminster’s view, I *think* he’d tell me. He hasn’t told me what he thinks about any of what I or commenters have said thus far. I just have to believe HE would know what their problem was, and if I was getting it wrong (I quoted directly from their document), he’d let me know. The Chicago Statement “does and doesn’t” see it the same way. They sort of say both sides.
Mike
Dr. Mike,
Your statement: “The end was that Scripture was the product of human writers assisted by the Spirit.”
This is what I dwelt on along with your much earlier established view of God primarily of the ends and usually not the means (from our soteriology discussion a while back) when I couldn’t discern how exactly inspired you want the bible to be.
It seems that you have God acting as an editor and not the author of the Bible. First off, I think it would be a good argument to note that all of the scribal glosses and text addition after the death of an author was not to make corrections to a fallible autograph. If Spirit-breathing men wrote the Bible, then how and why would other Spirit-filled men “do it better” as you say? This hole is what I am irritating. Because it seems to me that we must recognize that this Spirit-filling of Bible-writing men is most definitely different then our current spirit filling as Christians. It seems to me that your view would have trouble contemplating why God would even bother to inspire the jots and tittles when he is just merely letting man write it AND THEN he approves or disapproves; where does this leave him except as the editor? Yes, you do say that he influences man to write a certain way, but let me ask you–how would he move you to dot every i and cross every T in your view of God only-in-the-process. It seems that we must address this before moving further.
So for now, Grace be with you,
Chris
Chris: God isn’t the editor of the biblical text (unless he moved someone to do that at some point; we’ll cover that in a bit). God is the prime mover of the “Scripture project” – the plan to leave humankind written revelation. He influenced people, from cradle to grave as it were, immediately and distantly (the “how” was up to him) to write, and what those writers wrote was subject to his providential approval.
Playing along for a moment: If the final product was what God wanted, and he was only an editor (I think that word fails, as noted above), who are you to question the result? Don’t you get what you want – a written revelation God was happy with (and it stands to reason inerrant as originally produced)? It seems a bit audacious to somehow find fault with this process if indeed that is how God did it. I think you’d be in line for the Job treatment. Somehow you aren’t satisfied with God being in the process the whole way through and the result being what God wanted. Who are you to be dissatisfied (again, if this is correct — and you haven’t demonstrated it isn’t; you just don’t seem to like it).
Dr. Mike,
I think you may have overlooked one of my questions so let me rephrase it:
How would Spirit-filled men “do it better” when you said, “God looked at the result and either approved it, had them do it better through another draft or a companion’s advice (or whatever).”
I see this as totally overlooking the fact that these men were Spirit-filled men in what I believe to be a different way than how you and I are Spirit-filled.
Maybe that is where we differ? Maybe we should explore how exactly ‘the Spirit of Christ in them’ is to be understood? I believe the distinction between this indwelling and ours would be recognized today just as it was in Moses’ day when the Pharaoh said to his servants, “Can we find a man like this, in whom is the Spirit of God?”
Some references that I would like to use in support for my view are this:
1) I Peter 1:11
inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.
2) 2 Samuel 23:2
“The Spirit of the LORD speaks by me;
his word is on my tongue.
3) The following is where I notice how the prophets are set apart and “holy” and I think it is because they had a Spirit indwelling different from our Spirit indwelling. I cannot say that God’s word is on my tongue because the Spirit of the Lord speaks by me (unless I am an over-confident preacher).
And so, Luke 1:70, Acts 3:21, Ephesians 3:5, 2 Peter 3:2, and the variant (represented in the KJV) of 2 Peter 1:21
4) It should also be made clear that the Lord most definitely gives different degrees of the Spirit (although all Christians have him in one sense without measure (John 3:34), although obviously many have had more of the Spirit such as Paul and the apostles and the other authors of Scripture.) See Numbers 11:17, 25-29, Acts 1:8
5) And then the Scripture will often give the Holy Spirit total credit for certain quotation of Scripture or saying from man:
Mark 13:11, Acts 13:2, I Timothy 4:1, Hebrews 3:7, 9:8, 10:15, Revelation 2:11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22; 22:17
In conclusion, I believe we must distinguish this biblical-author-Spirit indwelling from our own and understand it in a similar way to how God displays His Spirit indwelling in Exodus 31:1-11 especially vv. 3-5 “and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with ability and intelligence, with knowledge and all craftsmanship, to devise artistic designs, to work in gold, silver, and bronze, in cutting stones for setting, and in carving wood, to work in every craft.” With the filling of the Spirit came the ability to write or speak infallibly because the word of God was on their very tongue or quill because with their filling came all knowledge and all abilities to produce EXACTLY what God intended; every jot and tittle; every word and letter.
You can’t hold my view if you think that God’s indwelling of the biblical authors was to the extent that God needed to “fix” all types of things that needed to be ‘done better.’ Doesn’t work on my side, the Spirit’s dwelling was sufficient the first time–now this does not rule out later editing and additions to the text AS LONG as these additions and editing were contextualizing-driven (the Spirit adapting (adding) scripture to (for) a new generation) AND NOT “fixing” the text to “make it better” as if it were not infallible the first time.
Grace be with you,
Chris
@cwmyers007: On the correcting issue, see my reply to your subsequent comment. On the Spirit led thing, I think the Spirit operates as the Spirit operates, but the context changes and certain “needs” or institutions change (cf. Pentecost). I don’t think the mode of influence of the Spirit over people writing Scripture and people today is any different, it’s just that God is no longer in the business of giving people revelation that is binding on the entire church. That need has been met, so that isn’t one of the aims of the Spirit’s activity.
Hey Dr. Heiser,
Ive been reading through your entire inspiration discussion up to this point and have really been enjoying it.
One question though. You write: Im with the majority (I suspect) that would argue that prophecy here refers to any sort of utterance from a prophetic (or apostolic) figure that wound up getting recorded in Scripture. Why?
Isnt no prophecy in scripture in 2 Peter 1:20 referring specifically to OT prophets? The verse appears to be saying that Christs transfiguration confirmed and reinforced what the prophets of Old have said. I really like the NLTs rendering:
19 Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark placeuntil the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophets own understanding, 21 or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God.
Again, 2 Tim 3:16 seems to be referring to the OT scriptures. That doesnt mean we cant extrapolate this out to the NT, but it seems like were skipping a step. Before we interpret this for ourselves and our view of inspiration and inerrancy, dont we need to be extremely clear what these authors had in mind and were communicating to their readers?
Im also curious what you know about how Jews of that time period viewed the OT writings and if there are parallels among rabbinic writings in that time of using terms like God-breathed or carried along by the Spirit or of similar ideas that Peter and Paul might have been exposed to?
Also a formatting/font question. There are some words (I think in greek letters) that come across as gobbledygook. Any idea how that can be fixed?
Thanks,
Jeremy