I’m jumping into a new podcast — it’s called Cinematic Theology. It’s something in addition to, not in place of, the Naked Bible Podcast.
A friend of mine in Bellingham, WA — Rich Baker, who’s my co-host — decided it would be fun to start a small group that discussed the theological messaging of science fiction movies. We’re going to meet once a month (it’s open to the public, but we’ll no doubt start with people from church or work). We just had the first meeting. Everyone watched Star Wars (at least the original episode 4) and then we met to talk about it. I posted a few short readings related to the film and encouraged people to read those, too. When we met, I recorded the discussion. I just posted that audio file on the site. You’ll see it on the landing page, but it also lives here (with some notes and one picture).
Here’s the official “About” explaining what we’re doing:
Cinematic Theology discusses the theological and religious worldview messaging articulated by word and image in science fiction motion pictures and television series — the “scientific mythologies” of a modern, technological culture.
The episodes derive from recorded meetings of a group of Christian science fiction enthusiasts in Bellingham, WA. There will normally be one meeting/episode each month. Discussions take place on the scheduled date and recorded. The audio is subsequently posted in podcast form on the site.
Before each meeting, the movie or television episode that will be discussed is posted. Reading material is occasionally included for discussion. Meeting times and topic information can be found on the “Next Episode” page, linked in the upper right-hand corner of the podcast homepage.
Let me be clear about this idea: it’s an experiment. Don’t expect the audio quality that you get with the Naked Bible podcast if you subscribe via RSS or iTunes. Why? Because I’m doing it. I don’t have an experience person like Trey on this one. I don’t really know much of what I’m doing. It just seemed like a fun idea and something I should do.
So check out the site. Our next meeting time isn’t posted yet. It’ll likely be in early June. We’ll be talking about the Avengers and Jack Kirby’s influence/theological messaging.
Thanks for this new podcast. I spend a lot of money on science fiction movies and on cosplay/anime events. In the podcast, Rich Baker said that money spent on these represents “a lot of worship.” What do you think about that statement? Am I involved in a modern form of idolatry? I thought idolatry was bowing down to another god.
I think Rich was referring to the $$ spent on making them. But if you like, you can email me the question and I’ll forward it to him.
I get the impression that Rich is the Tertullian/Tatian of this podcast group (ie. has the most negative perspective on secular culture). Nothing wrong with that, just an observation.
I enjoyed this immensely. Looking forward to the coming episodes. I don’t know if you have heard of Jay Dyer. He has a website jaysanalysis.com where he analyzes films for esoteric and philosophical as well as theological themes. His website doesn’t qualify as a Billy Bob website so I think you might be interested.
Haven’t heard of him, but I’m definitely interested. Thanks for the lead!
Thank you for doing this, although you say it’s just a bit of fun this is the chosen method of disseminating ancient myths into the modern day zeitgeist as you know, so it is of massive importance imo that this is given serious thought for the Church. God is usually cast so subtly in the bad guy role that it seems obvious who is bad and who is good. Like the myths of old the story is told from the view of the nachash so who is good and who is bad is already perverted. This is a huge deal and will be very useful for us to discern what story is actually being told, so thank you for giving it some time. There is a site called vigilantcitizen that may be of use.
Thanks – we know about Vigilant Citizen. A fascinating site.
What a great idea! I”m looking forward to listening.
If I was a bit closer to Bellingham, I’d offer my services to help with audio.
Thanks – we’ll do better!
Hey Dr. Heiser,
I really enjoyed your Star Wars episode. However, may I offer a few corrections. Jack Kirby’s New Gods is not Marvel, but DC, so look for it in the upcoming Justice League movie. Also, Thanos was created by Jim Starlin, not Jack Kirby.
I saw The Avengers: Age of Ultron twice recently. I personally think its more influenced by Nietzsche than ancient Gnosticism. Ultron is basically the Straw Nihilist to Vision’s anti-Nihilist (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAntiNihilist).
I’d agree on Ultron – the whole thing is transhumanism on display big time (either Ultron or Vision). Kirby’s Galactus villain was Marvel (First appearance was in Fantastic Four), but you’re correct – he’s in DC too (the “new gods”). I’ll have to be careful not to mix up his appearances. Thanks!
You mean Jack Kirby right? Galactus is the big bad of Marvel’s Fantastic Four where as Darkseid is the big bad of DC’s New Gods and, consequently, the entire DC Universe. From what I understand, Kirby intended the New Gods to be a self-contained story. But he died before he finished it and the New Gods became part of the mainstream DC Universe with Superman and Batman. I know, comic book continuities sometimes make you want to pull your hair out!
Yep on all counts.
Dr. Heiser,
Is this exclusively stand-alone movies? The reason I ask is because I would LOVE your take on Babylon 5!
(sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVSlKqOXf2k)
to start; again, it’s an experiment.
Really enjoyed this podcast, and I’m looking forward to the analysis of Avengers Age of Ultron.
Have you ever come across the documentary “The Replacement Gods”? Which kind of covers similar grounds in terms of the “metanarrative” that seems to be interwoven between various sci-fi / fantasy movies, but with a particular emphasis on superheroes as “replacement god” figures.
Here’s the link to it on YouTube: http://youtu.be/4F-TFGbJAOI
I’ve heard of it, but have not read/watched anything on it.
Some of the logic and reasoning behind their conclusions are a bit far fetched, but there are some very interesting interviews with the likes of Andy Moore (Watchmen) where he talks about comic books as a medium for “spell casting” by using narrative to influence the minds of the readers.
Some other writers allude to some supernatural influence over their works.
Ohhh I’ve been waiting for this type of podcast from you for the longest time. Its really awesome. This first episode gave me various things to think about, and I know my friends and Star War lovers will like it!
Thanks!
just a quick FYI, the creator of the “water creature” is Doug Chiang, the Concept Design Supervisor, and in the documentary “Star Wars from puppets to Pixels”, he shows Lucas 3 designs of the creature and Lucas ends up picking the “serpentine one” that is shown in the movie. Here is a link to the video exactly where this occurs.
https://youtu.be/rh-5UhwcBW0?t=7m50s
very interesting that it was Lucas – thanks!
one more thing.
if anyone has the time to read the following blog called http://www.secretsun.blogspot.com you would be amazed at all the information this guy posts. its amazing what he has on there regarding aliens, occultism, tv, movies; its all mind bending.
here is a specific link in regards to the information he has accomplished just on Jack Kirby and his fascination with aliens, ancient astronouts, and the occult.
http://secretsun.blogspot.com/search?q=jack+kirby
yes – a great blog and his book (Our Gods Wear Spandex) is also good.
Great episode! I really like the idea. If you are taking suggestions I’d like to make a few.
1. Prometheus – this one is loaded with ancient astronaut stuff and it is terrible to boot.
2. The Matrix trilogy – a gold mine for poorly thought out religious references
3. Superman as a character
4. Dune
5. Appleseed (2004) – this one should come with a copy of C.S. Lewis’s Abolition of Man
Appleseed is actually a decent story beneath the clumsy exterior. Particularly when you start watching it understanding that it is set in a world where mankind has fully embraced the materialist view and is no longer constrained by technology. It really is a playing out of The Abolition of Man as a Sci-Fi action story.
Please excuse my poor grammar.
Thanks,
Mike
all good suggestions; thanks! We’re working on a video edition of the episode (my son recorded it; an experiment for him). We want to do that because the clips are valuable. For the next episode, we may show some portions of Technocalyps.