As promised, in this post I’ll be wrapping up my “Understanding the Christian Fundamentalist View of Aliens and UFOs” by addressing Matthew 24:37-38 and Daniel 2:43. My last few posts on that thread have directed readers to my Naked Bible series on why an obsession with eschatology is a waste of time. My purpose there was not to take or deny any position on eschatology — it was to introduce readers to the overwhelming ambiguities that exist with respect to prophetic interpretation, and how everyone’s presuppositions drive their eschatology (i.e., no view is slef evidently “biblical”). With that skepticism as a backdrop, I move to Matthew 24:37.
My problems with the application of Matthew 24:37-38 to the UFO and “alien” abduction phenomenon transcend the fact that the typical eschatological view espoused by Christian UFO researchers — the notion of a pre-trib rapture — is far from being biblically self evident. “Self evident” is my bone of contention — that is, one should not make such a doctrinal belief core to one’s identity as a Christian. As such, it is equally foolish to marry “the answer” to UFOs and aliens to that particular view of end times.
More specifically, I just don’t see UFOs and aliens in Matthew 24. I’ll try to explain why.
First, let’s talk about the problems with the alien material brough to Matthew 24. The basic idea is that Gen 6:1-4 tells us that, in the days of Noah, the sons of God (divine beings) were cohabiting with human women, producing nephilim. Christian Fundamentalists (hereafter CF) argue that the alien abduction phenomenon is a modern version of the Genesis 6 events — that is, the fallen (evil) sons of God are now doing the same thing, masquerading as ETs. These ETs are abducting people and, through a variety of medical procedures (or what are disguised as medical procedures) are creating a hybrid (human-alien).
The problems are not hard to spot. (1) the offending “sons of God” in Gen 6 and other versions of the episode in ancient Jewish texts, the NT, and classical sources, are always said to have been punished — specifically, imprisoned until the time of the end. CFs argue that EITHER they must have been released or that more of these fallen angels are around today doing all this. The actual release of these entities is described in Rev 9 (the passage has a number of touchpoints with the sons of God story — CFs want to deny that, and good luck with that — my guess is that many have never considered Rev 9). But Rev 9 comes after Rev 4, which in the pre-trib rapture view = the rapture. Since the rapture hasn’t happened yet (I think we’d know if it had), we have an obvious problem with the fallen sons of God being back to do their dirty work again. That leaves the idea that the fallen angels masquerading as ETs are new ones. There simply is no Scripture to prove that — it is pure speculation and thus an argument from silence. In other words, it’s an idea brought TO the text, not one derived FROM the text.
Another obvious problem is the hybrid. If the sons of God are fallen angels, they don’t have DNA (they aren’t physical terrestrial beings). So how could we have a literal hybrid? At this point CFs offer some answers that don’t work very well: (1) it is assumed that the flesh in which these new sons of God (remember, the old ones are still imprisoned) has DNA. Another argument from no data. (2) it is also suggested that the fallen angels are simply conducting genetic experiments on people, and so the “hybrid” isn’t really a hybrid — it’s an alteration. Well, that eliminates the need for angel DNA, but what are we left with? You guessed it — no data and silence.
Moving on to Genesis 6 and Matthew 24:37-38 …
1. Does Matt 24:37-38 describe the conditions of the sons of God-human women cohabitation? The sons of God are never mentioned; their presence is assumed on the basis of the phrase “marrying and giving in marriage.” In Gen 6, though, there is only the idea that the fallen angelic beings “took” wives for themselves. Since this wording is used in other instances in the OT for simply getting married (Gen 11:29; 25:1; Exod 2:1; Ruth 4:13; etc.), there is no inherent sinister feel to it. But how does that fit with alien abduction, reports of which describe involuntary physical violation? There are separate Hebrew words for rape (women are described as “humbled” in these contexts – see Lam 5:11; Gen 34:2; Deut 22:24, 29; 2 Sam 13:14). This vocabulary is not in Genesis 6. My point here is that a real parallel for today back to Genesis 6 would be aliens showing up and getting married to human women, not the trauma described with alleged alien abduction.
2. Can we be sure that what is described in Genesis 6:1-4 was actually happening in Noah’s day? This may sound like an odd question, but it is relevant. The answer is no. Consider the wording of Genesis 6:1 – “When men began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them…” When did humanity begin to multiply? In Noah’s day? No. Genesis 5 tells us humanity began to multiply centuries before Noah’s day. The book of 1 Enoch tells us the sons of God committed their violation in the days of Yared (see Gen 5:18), centuries before Noah. In fact, if we go with Enoch, the fallen sons of God were imprisoned in the days of ENOCH (he is the one that God sends to them in their prison to announce their doom). That means these fallen sons of God were in prison before Noah was born. That means the sins of the fallen sons of God has nothing to do with the days of Noah. in 1 Enoch, the flood is not about the sons of God (they are in prison); it is about their offspring, the giants — the flood helps cleanse the earth of them. The wording of Genesis 6 could be consistent with this, but it isn’t as precise. Hence there is ambiguity.
3. In Genesis neither the giants (nephilim) nor the sons of God are mentioned as the reason for the flood. Rather, it is human sin that is to blame (Gen 6:5). If one interprets “marrying and giving in marriage — coupled with “eating and drinking” in Matt 24:37-38 — as merely living in a godless manner, THAT would make sense of Matthew’s wording. Matthew cannot be referring to the sin of the fallen angels in vv. 37-38 since the point of those verses and what follows is judgment on HUMAN sin. But even if we assume the cohabitation continued into Noah’s day, humans are not specifically blamed for the divine-human cohabitation in Genesis 6. I would suggest that the fallen angels aren’t in view in Matt 24 (where are they?) – and they logically wouldn’t be given what I described in number 2 above.
4. Some CFs argue that the “signs in the sky” described in Matthew and other passages about the second coming speak to UFOs. There is simply no description of any CRAFT in those passages. The signs spoken of are consistently astronomical / celestial phenomena, not alien craft.
In short, I don’t see any way to securely connect Matthew 24 to the FALLEN ANGELS of Genesis 6, and what is described in Genesis 6 lacks the violence of the abduction phenomenon. I think both are needed for the CF view to have any merit.
What about Daniel 2:43? The phrase in question is that “they” will “mingle their seed” with the “seed of men.” It is assumed that “they” in the verse are aliens (non-human) since “they” mingle with humans (“seed of men”).
There is a huge problem with this idea. “They” in Daniel 2:43 are members of the fourth kingdom. It is in the days of this fourth kingdom that the kingdom of God would begin (2:44). We know from the NT that the kingdom of God began at Jesus’ first coming — during the days of the Romans. All rapture positions that I know of agree that the fourth kingdom is Rome. So, unless we are willing to argue that the Romans were aliens, I don’t see how Dan 2:43 has anything to do with UFOs and aliens. Of course, the “answer” will be that at the end times we will see a “revived ROman Empire” and that is what Daniel is referring to. No, it isn’t. The key here is when did the kingdom of God begin. Paul assumes all believers are already in the kingdom (Col. 1:13) and Jesus preached that the kingdom of God was among his hearers (Luke 9:60; Luke 10:11 – and it was – JESUS was in their midst). Jesus also said very bluntly that the kingdom was here (Luke 11:20). Now, this doesn’t mean there is no future kingdom that will come, but it DOES mean that the prophecy of Daniel 2:43-44 did come to pass – the eternal kingdom began in the days of the Romans, and they weren’t aliens.
great post….
you always make me rethink and i trully appreciate that…..
many will “not like” your post, just like the ones over at the naked bible over eschatology…
but still, your approach to the CF’s beliefs is very interesting and always very educational…blessings and keep up with the great posts….
I really don’t like using “CF” either, but that’s the term secular ufologists will use.
Shalom MSH,
I also fail to find a return of the Nephillim in Matthew 24, or Daniel 2, or any other place in the NT. I do see the “possibility” of Chimeras, “perhaps” foretold in Revelation. There is already literature on the web that human-celled X animal-celled entities are being created in labs.
With your indulgence here is an alternative view of Daniel 2
Verse 41
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“And that you saw the feet and toes (not the legs) of a part clay, of a part iron, a divided kingdom shall it be.”
We are not told “the Kingdom” of the Legs of Iron divide, rather the Feet and Toes of Clay and Iron are “A Divided Kingdom.” Big Difference!
The iron in both the legs and in the feet and toes is only said to represent “strength,” not a particular kingdom, race, religion or creed, only (empirical) strength. I have become convinced that the Islamic world is represented by the feet and toes, not a degraded Roman Empire. The term mixed, marav – ???? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ??????. – may possibly carry a secondary meaning of “from Arabia,” just as the writing on the wall “upharsin” means both divided and Persia (Paras).
There’s more at my site should you have time or interest.
Best wishes in Messiah.
HBK
the fonts did not come through — can you PDF this and send it to me?
Michael: Thanks the clarity on this piece is outstanding, thank you for your time and effort.
Having been involved in this for years and seeing
the efforts of sincere men to associate these text
out of context has always troubled me.
I think of what the Apostle Paul cautioned on when he said we should not go beyond what is actually written in his Gods word 1Co 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
Thanks again
thanks.
Michael: Thanks the clarity on this piece is outstanding, thank you for your time and effort.
Having been involved in this for years and seeing
the efforts of sincere men to associate these text
out of context has always troubled me.
I think of what the Apostle Paul cautioned on when he said we should not go beyond what is actually written in his Gods word 1Co 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
Thanks again
Comment by ufosd01 August 18, 2010 #
Good post, food for thought. Speaking as an unashamed CF…
I agree that it is somewhat of a stretch to associate the abduction phenomenon with Gen 6. Yet, when you say it was “marriage” – don’t you agree that ancient marriage wasn’t usually a free choice the way it is in America today? The selfish character of a fallen angel seems quite coherent with the idea that they took “wives”, irrespective of the woman’s feelings about it. Or perhaps it was a supernatural seductiveness?
But abduction still seems coherent with demonic activity in a general way.
As far as being part of the end times scenario I think we see an increase in all evil & occult activity, I agree “days of Noah” is quite broad and to my reading speaks to the general lifestyle of sin and ignoring God. But that doesn’t exclude abductions, I would expect all evil activity to increase. Even if most UFOs are Nazi’s cruising up from Argentina – they aren’t exactly spreading the Gospel and feeding the hungry are they?
The passage that has a more compelling possibility is Luke 21:25-26. It’s still vague but it depends on what you insert for “what is coming on the world.”
arranged marriages aren’t rapes.
MSH, Re: your comment that “arranged marriages aren’t rapes.” Rape has nothing to do with marriage. Rape is about unwanted, uninvited, unwelcome sexual touching or intrusion. Men can (and do) rape their wives. Women are separate and EQUAL human beings and if they don’t want to be married, don’t want to be physical or sexual and are forced to against their will, that is rape. Just because their parents arranged a marriage (usually without their input and usually for economic or political reasons, not for love) doesn’t mean they want to have sex with the man they are forced to marry. Some do. Many don’t. Rape is about control, not sex.
there is nothing in the biblical text that says or even suggests the activity was unwanted. That simply has to be inserted into the text.
Dr. H,
I read this old post of yours today by following the link from Guy Malone’s page (he Facebooked about David Flynn’s death). I have been listening via MP3 to some more and more bizarre ideas concerning Nephilim activity. Stargates? Anyway, that being said, I am surprised at your assessment of the Genesis 6 story. However the sons of God (Book of Enoch = fallen angels) “cohabited with women,” why did you leave out the part about the result of this cohabitation being “offspring”? This is forthrightly stated, so I don’t see how an angel/human sexual experience that produced children can be avoided. I am also puzzled by the fact that there were giants in the earth even “afterward,” since the rebel angels were imprisoned in the pit. Some mythology states that some of the Nephilim held onto the ark of Noah, which is patently ridiculous, and even at that, they were not angels. How do you explain the “and afterward” part? Could it be that the “there were giants in the earth in those days” refers to the time of Jared (as you have stated) when man BEGAN to multiply on the earth, with the story of the Nephilim in between, then the story of Noah coming at the END of the time period when mankind was obviously quite numerous, and the “whole earth was corrupted” by these beings? The Bible does not say that other fallen angels never committed this sin again. Since the fallen angels are purportedly 1/3 of the heavenly host (although I think that’s up for debate), there are more than just the fallen angels who descended on Mt. Hermon in Enoch’s book, now here on earth. I do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture either, but I do think it is interesting that Jesus mentions the “days of Noah.” Even if all of the reports of abductions and sightings ARE “demon-generated” (i.e., not man-manufactured)deceptions and not “the return of the Nephilim,” what do you believe could be the demons’ motives? BTW, what do you make of the Book(s) of Enoch?
I don’t deny that the Bible has the nephilim as the offspring (how could I?). No idea what produces your question. Your comment about any repetition of the Gen 6:1-4 is based only on silence (i.e., there is no data to suggest the biblical writers thought that — only a grammatical possibility in Gen 6:4). The days of Noah phrase is also not specific to any event (if that had been intended, it would be clearer). As far as any potential motive for presumed demonic provenance to (any) alleged abductions, I personally believe it would be about redefining theism and human origins (including divine imaging). Regarding 1 Enoch, I think it was a highly-regarded book that biblical writers knew about in some detail, and which influenced some of their thinking. It was part of their intellectual and spiritual orientation / milieu.