A nice explanation of where all the 2012 silliness comes from.
2012 Mythology for Dummies
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A nice explanation of where all the 2012 silliness comes from.
DEC 21 2012 is winter solstice and marks the return of the Mayan God Kukalakhan. AKA Quetzalcoatl, Zeus, Horus, Baal, etc. we are are now as of winter solstice 2009 in the first 3 years of the establishment of the seat of the AC. Right now in the oval office sits, Apollyon, Alexander, Osirus the son of Satan. As God revealed to me in 2007. 2012 is not a myth. He was even presented to us on the set of a complete copy of the alter of pergamon/alter of Zeus or as the bible says alter of Satan. world wide destruction and apoliptic destrution? No but the beginning. Look for the strike to the head by the sword and the miraculous recovery for this will mark the entering of Satan into the body of his pawn and a consolidation of the beast and the spirit of the air his son. call quacky, looney and any of the other names you like to use to keep people from looking into these things but if Im wrong Ill come here and humble myself completely. But I know im not. I love your work Michael but I read you here and really I have to examine your tact and find myself wondering about your motives and if you are not a slave to your method and deeply embedded beliefs. God bless you and please understand I mean no disrespect but the ruler of this present system is Satan and has been since at least the time of Jesus. Therefore to ignore worldy writings and study as babble is just not keeping with end time watching for the world serves the serpent and his simbols are in every culture since the begining of time. His symbols are even on your dollar bill. That is not an eagle on the seal but a phoenix or feather serpent aka Quetzalcoatl/Satan who has come in so many forms through time I cant even begin to mention them here. Even in the most rediculous of the babble are secrets if you look hard enough and pray for wisdom. THe Servents of Satan await the return of thier Christ as well and in thier writing we can find much truth and revelation. The babble is just a tool to hide the deeper meaning intended by the worshipers and pawns Satan. Gods Richest Blessings
Satan has acess to heaven to accuse gods people, dec 21 2012. God will cast him down satan will take it out on us
@martin: 2012 is mythology.
@becky: In all of the wisdom God has personally revealed to you, spell checking was not on that list. Bummer. Up your meds a bit honey, you’ll feel better, and the hallucinations might even go away.
A dumb response. Having a PhD does not somehow grant one immunity from typos. How petty. I guess if you had more to contribute, you would have.
Wasn’t talking about you MSH.
Think about the above statement by Becky: “Right now in the oval office sits, Apollyon, Alexander, Osirus the son of Satan. As God revealed to me in 2007”
I was talking about these sorts of statements. It seems somewhat unhinged. Generally when I run into people talking this way they are in for some mental health intervention soon. Perhaps it was arrogant of me to assume the person God speaks through could spell (according to her this occurs). Petty? Perhaps. Concerned about this person’s mental state? Yes. Perhaps I should have said something like: “Beware of false prophets”. As she seems to be the only person to know about the presence of “Mayan God Kukalakhan. AKA Quetzalcoatl, Zeus, Horus, Baal”. I was simply surprised you had nothing to say about this sort of pap.
my misread; I’m with you; it is pap.
In his latest book “Apollyon Rising 2012”, Tom Horn points out that there are 72 stones which are visible on the pyramide on the Great Seal of the US. This is wrong. There are more than 72 stones, namely 85. Readers can check it (page 273 in “Apollyon Rising 2012”). On the same page (the 13 Katuns resp. the 13 Cycles) he begins his count with the year 1756 only in order to achieve the enddates 2012 resp 2016. But the desicive year is 1776 not 1756. When starting the count with the year 1776 then he would end in the year 2032 resp. 2036.
Further, the masonic founding fathers of the US were not able to know the mayan calendar system because it was deciphered by Ernst Förstemann not until at the end of the 19th century. These are only a few points of this book that are not consistent.
On January 15, 2010 I sent a message to Tom Horn, telling him the anomalies mentioned above, but no response. Most of the conclusions on this book I don’t belive in.
I have read the book and I have to agree with Antonio.
I find Horn’s conclusions disconcerting, not so much for what he says but due to the fact that in my mind Thomas R. Horn is an unknown and I am unable to verify a lot of what he says.
Is there anywhere that I could look up his curriculum vitae. My mind is still open but it would help me a great deal if I could find out his background and what makes him tick. (Is he a Dr? If so, from what university and in what discipline.)
I know Tom, but I don’t know the answers to your questions.
I wonder why nobody has mentioned David Flynn’s work in this area? He ties the 2012 date to the relationship of geometry (measuring the earth) with numerical symbology… Namely, the fact Mount Hermon in Phoenicia was the first location of “angelic” influence with man, and lies precisely at 33.33° north 33.33° east [*old Paris meridian 2.20 degrees east of Greenwich]… 2,012.9 miles from the equator and 2,012.9 miles from the prime meridian. You need to see his youtube vids on this to appreciate his work. Rather interesting.
This doesn’t make it Biblical, and i know you won’t like this Michael because it can’t be supported by text, but it does seem to be a curious “coincidence”… and if this is what the occult forces believe, i think it could be a clue to THEIR time table at least – which makes it of interest, since they have the power to accomplish their goals.. God is ‘giving them the rope to hang themselves’ as it were..
There is a loose textual connection with regard to the fact Yeshua was said to be 12 when he began to speak in the temple, and some have used the “thousand years are a day” comparison to link 2012 to the third day ‘when he will raise us up’ Hosea 6:2 … but we get possible calendar errors doing that, so yes… this is all very cloudy…. but don’t you think this would really play into the “strong delusion” referred to in the book of Revelation?
Just thinking out loud here…. any comments?
The problem with Flynn’s work (and I was a fan and friend) is that there is no expressed answer as to WHY these numbers are what they are. Numbers being what they are (e.g., the Fibonacci sequence), they will produce astounding patterns and be part of such patterns — but the question is WHY? Until that answer is produced, these figures, thought interesting, still exist as coincidental. That is, these “hits” may emerge out of properties the numbers themselves have in relationship to each other. We don’t know there’s a better answer than that since no one has produced one. In other words, there needs to be some REASON why they are what they are that can be studied and understood. Other than that, I put no credence in the 2012 stuff from any perspective, including Dave’s. The very idea of the date meaning the end of the world is itself a myth (the Mayans never said it). And the last paragraph has no basis in reality (Hosea 6:2 having something to do with this).
My hope is that, once we are past 2012 people will not abandon Flynn’s work wholesale (I don’t expect anything to happen, other than people saying something happened that everyone but them somehow missed — sort of like the old Charles Taze Russell and Ellen White prophecies getting adjusted in their “fulfillments”). To just ignore Flynn’s work after that would be unfortunate. But I tend to look at its value in a different way.
I think the problem is getting our noses too close to the glass, and maybe we need to step back a few paces to get a wider angle…. I realize much of the 2012 hype is total hyperbole.
I’m trying to use Bible prophesy as the foundation and focus point in examining all this. God did say certain things were going to take place, and one of those things was a counterfeit Christ, and an end of this age. The significance of the 2012 date only interests me in the same way a detective studying a psychopath would study the mind of his adversary. Perhaps I was asking for trouble when I starting looking into some of the things secret societies believe – as apparently David did to some degree. We shouldn’t ignore these beliefs because we can’t study or fully understand them, but because this is the mind of the people God is using to bring about his “day of judgement and disaster” – so that may partly answer the *reason* issue.
I think you’d agree God uses the stars and planets through precession to mark out periods of time (days) in which he will accomplish certain things He has promised. The book of Ezekiel would suggest this, and I believe you allude to it in one of your videos on Ezekiel’s wheel, and how he incorporated iconography and astronomical references in his accounting of his vision, and how it related to prophesy. David calls it the cosmic clock.
So if the ‘powers that be’ believe 2012 is their ‘time of transformation’ or the time when their ‘god man’ will return, etc… I think that is significant of itself, particularly when it appears to be integrated into so many of their symbols, and even the way our time and space is measured. David even found correlation to other dates and places of historical significance in using Jerusalem as the zero point – his book Temple at the Center of Time. Something definately appears to be going on here, and i think prophesy is the key to unlocking its meaning.
David appears to have found a watermark of some kind in the very fabric of God’s construction that is significant to both the “gods” and the people that followed them, and still do, and perhaps that makes it relevant to prophesy… God stated there would be a “delusion” that would be powerful enough to “fool the elect, if it were possible”… IF, therefore, these people “believe these **signs** are the gods speaking to them” then it could be working to accomplish his goals in leading them by the nose to bring his judgement to pass. Instead of judgement, they seek the ‘age of Aquarius’ and the next Messiah/God man… which fits Daniel and Revelation to a tee.
Throw in the feasts and there meaning, and the fact God fulfilled ALL the first three on the very day of the feast, and i think we can see even more structure in the ‘big picture’. These are well planned events, not just the flow of the tide, apparently. Something of significance seems to be anticipated… and ultimately the result depends on who you place your trust.
It may be just as simple as that… promotion of a belief system
This description is a good illustration of the problem. You have highlighted several interesting data points, and expressed your sense that there is some sort of correlation between them. But that is the issue — correlation is not causation. Those are two different things. Even if two things are correlated, that does not mean there is a direct causal connection between them, so that one explains the other. An illustration …
I know a former Denver Broncos player (played in the 70s).
That player’s son plays in the NFL now.
One of the teams that son played for was the Denver Broncos.
That son played on the Broncos Tim Tebow’s first year.
Now, one could look at that and see a connection between me and Tim Tebow, but the reality is that I do not know Tim Tebow, nor have I ever met him. There is no firm connection between us. And even if I met Tebow tomorrow, it would not necessarily be *because* of any of the items above.
I agree with everything you said.
However, I would point out the notable difference between your example and the correlations David found, is yours didn’t result in, or correspond with, a global belief system that is competing with Christianity, and creating a delusion. It makes the “reason” part of the equation viable in the context of prophesy, and seems to be aiding in its fulfillment.
We can discount all this easy enough for lack of scientific proof. However as a student of Biblical prophesy, I find this all most curious, and *seemingly* beyond random chance.
Time will tell soon enough I guess..
Just what is that global belief system, and how does it use numbers? (If it doesn’t use numbers, then how can we say numbers expose it?)
The prophecy “correlation” (or validation) is a separate problem. All prophetic systems are based on guessing about a range of hermeneutical procedures and their (assumed) role in interpreting various passages. For example, Dave and others assume that the 70th week of Daniel is the seven year tribulation. But here are the facts:
1. There is no verse in the Bible that says the tribulation is seven years (do a search to see if “seven” and “tribulation” occur together; they don’t).
2. The 70th week of Daniel is never mentioned in the book of Revelation (a very curious omission, to say the least).
3. The word “week” is never mentioned in the book of Revelation.
I did a whole series on the problems with prophetic systems over at the Naked Bible (see the “Eschatology” page).