The answer can be found here. The best part of the link is the picture — the Egyptian art shows how they did it in plain detail. I guess no one believed them.
Hidden in Plain Sight: Physicists Discover How Egyptians Moved Large Blocks Over Sand
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Hi Dr. Heiser! In the comments section on that post was a one sided discussion on how slaves didn’t build the pyramids, but “paid workers”. Is there any evidence outside the biblical account that Egyptians used slaves? What are your thoughts on this topic? Thanks!
Egyptians used a mix of trained / hired/ paid workers and slaves. The biblical account never tells us what the Israelites built except for the store cities of Pithom and Ramesses (Exod 1:11). It tells us they had to make bricks from straw but not that they built anything specific (and the pyramid bricks weren’t made with straw). The Bible never links Israelites to the pyramids (Hollywood is responsible for that).
Thanks! 🙂
Ok im so glad to have found this.aliens are a scape goat for gov.abducting us its been going on forever why would ailens be so advanced to have come a million light years just to crash.com on discs we have been makin those forever most ur ancient crud is faked and the closer they come to proving the bible the more crap they come out with to cover it please contact me i really need some help
The “gov.abducting us” comment is ‘probably’ true. However, I also wonder, “why would ailens be so advanced to have come a million light years just to crash.com”, or as my brother says, “just to look in our arses?” My question is “How might a captured, measured, blood and tissue sampled, then released fish or mammal, ‘think or tell his buddies about the experience?’ Or how do rats and mice et al, explain electrodes and other devices being inserted into their heads and bodies? Many primitive or less advanced cultures thought the first ‘white men’ were ‘gods’ or whatever. Just because some ‘expert in his own mind’ scientist tries to explain things away saying there is no proof or I‘ll believe it when I hold the dead corpse in my own hands, doesn’t mean you should believe them. Remember, before we learned what we know today, these were the flat earth, global warming ‘scientists.’ IMHO
Archaeology collectively hits itself on the head.
doh!
AA proponents will no doubt rebound by arguing that the painting also contains a schematic of a transistor or an iPhone or something, therefore the painting itself was created by aliens.
LOL – but you’re right; too many AA episodes under the belt to dismiss that!
I recall reading precisely this … and based also on ancient Egyptian artwork … in The Ancient Engineers by L. Sprague de Camp. I believe it was first published in the early 1960s. Why and how can this possibly be “news” if it’s been published in a widely-available general-reader book for at least the past 50 years?
(a) the media is stupid; (b) physicists rarely read humanities scholarship. LOTS of stuff about Egyptian technology is published in scholarly literature, but few people read that stuff. In some cases there is an accessibility problem (e.g., journals), but the book you noted (and there are a couple others) means it’s their own fault.
Thanks Dr Heiser; for a little while I thought I might have been crazy. Shortly after posting that comment I actually dug out my copy of de Camp and verified that I was remembering it correctly. He did explain exactly this. In fact, he mentioned that milk, of all things, might have been used as a lubricant (due to its fat content) although that was speculation.
interesting.
Most people either believe what they want to believe, or do not believe what they do not want to believe.. then there are those few, perhaps 5 percent or less, who actually user their intelligence properly. Sad really.
I’ve met aliens, in fact, three from Mexico and one from Peru, just lately.
Fortunately, they all had legal documentation for their native lands…none were from the moon or nearby planets, and not one claimed to be other than human, from a different country, my own experience with them.
I’ll believe in outer-space aliens when I see one, or if I see a ship in space on telescope, or all the crap on the moon, in one.
I’m a mulit-spectrum Aspberger’s and that show was the biggest fake that I’m surprised they tried to see it to thinking people.
Thank you and keep up the good work so people like me don’t have to listen to it as truth, when there isn’t any proof.
funny! thanks.
Ok, so lets do some simple math and logic here. what you are saying is all they did was used a sled to move a 2 tonne stone across the sand and to reduce the friction was to pour water on the sand infront of the sled to harden the sand…. man of you have never been to the beach I am guessing? Have ou ever tried to pull a body board or sled across wet sand before? The friction does not decrease due to lubricant added; but it becomes like a suction cup making it more difficult to move. Also the experiment performed at the university was not to scale, the sand grains would have had to been reduced as well.
Now for the math part, how many blocks are in the pyramid itself? about 2.3 million… thats right with 5 zeros.
how long did it take to build the pyramids? a mier 20 years. I know that sound like a long time but it you determine that they place 2.3 million block in a perfect pyramid in 20 year they would have had to place 115000 blocks a year. 2300000/20= 115000
and 315 blocks a day
115000/365=315
and which is 13 blocks an hour
315/24=13
which is a stone block put into place every 4.6 lets make it 5 minutes. Thats around the clock work.
I don’t know if they have help out side our world but thats some serious lifting
I wouldn’t presume all the blocks were moved that way. If Houdin is correct about internal ramps, there would also be fewer blocks. I also don’t see anything in your calculations about multiple crews working at the same time. Your calculations assume one block completes the process before the process begins for another block. talk about inefficient!
No one is claiming to know the exact method (or combination of methods) used to build the pyramids. The point is that there ARE methods for moving such stones.
I heard they would have had to do a block every 8 seconds but the math is right there so yeah. Its physically impossible to do this even with todays tech. We humans are an arrogant breed as if we cpuld thing that outof the entirety of the universe ,that we are the only sentient life that evolved on a planet. For me alien existance is a definite. Wether or not they visited idn but its likely. Also the pyramids were originally coated with marble and had a golden top apparently. so that would have added time to the process
These guys would still insist the world is flat if we didn’t laugh at them. The ‘See it with my own eyes’ crew… The magicians of the world are laughing at them.
So let’s see the magicians’ reproduce the “ancient magic”!
Have you seen Michael Carbonaro? I admit that some of his stunts are stupid like telling a woman that he was changing a meteorite that he wrapped up in some paper into a piece of cheddar cheese wrapped up in some paper which, of course, he switched by sleight of hand. The woman believed him because obviously she’s so stupid that she doesn’t know that you CAN’T change a meteorite into cheese and that cheese is only made of milk, salt and rennet, with very few exceptions when other ingredients are added.
My neighbor who keeps telling me, who has been tested by MENSA for genius and passed in the 99th percentile of the population in 2009 which I can prove and who is rumored to have passed such a test at three-years old which I can’t prove although I know that I do not recall learning how to read but always just recall reading assiduously from a very young age how smart he is, with, by his lights, him supposedly being “the smartest of all!” didn’t know how cheese is made either! Of course this is an overcompensation which very many people suffer from, giving unasked advice on matters they know nothing about, etc., etc., on and on.
Further, I think most forums of this kind should be uncensored. If the owner of the site doesn’t like what was put there, s/he can refute it on the forum.
Further yet, in this vein, the FOX TV pundit, Bill O’Reilly, whom I neither favor nor disfavor, but whose show I watch occasionally when I can’t find anything else I really like to watch, put many derogatory letters written to him by e-mail on his program tonight, which I think spoke well for him. He didn’t comment on all of them, but just let them stand, which is what I think we are all supposed to do! He just treated them all as opinions and didn’t give either the positive or the negative ones undue weight, again, as I think is correct. If you think people are boneheads, then at least respect their right to post to a public forum and let everyone have the right to as much information as they can get and leave the decision of what to think about the worth/value/truth, etc. of it it all up to each individual. That’s what I understand real freedom and equality to be.
I have posted on several forums, including Bill Moyers’ of PBS and one called Start Church, the former having banned me from posting there with no warning and the latter moderating me out of existence because I said things which I thought were true and logical from all the evidence that was presented and which I have to assume they didn’t like and didn’t want made public.
Finally, in this vein, the forum on my blog on my website: http://www.justdonna.g2gm.com is UNcensored!
No idea who Carbonaro is.
Thanks for allowing my post, MSH. Michael Carbonaro is a magician/ illusionist who has a TV show on the cable channel TruTV (it is channel 35 in NYC on Time Warner Cable where I live). His show is called, “The Carbonaro Effect.”
I was stunned by many of the illusions he performed there which gave me an insight into many of the illusions I experience daily which I think are perpetrated with various technology, including things like that described in U.S. Patent #s: 3951134, 5507291, and 6470214, granted in 1974, 1994, and 2002, respectively, if I’m not mistaken, which many doubt work as they are described (you can see these patents including schematics [drawings] of how they are purported to work on http://www.google.com/patents).
Now that I think about it, though, the pyramids in Egypt are not an illusion so I don’t know if my answer including Michael Carbonaro to MSH’s question here about where are the modern day magicians who can do what the ancient Egyptians purportedly did in building the pyramids is exactly analogous (there is Coral Castle in Florida on which there is a video debunking it that I have to watch although as an astrophysicist at York College told me, the curators of the place had to replace some part of the many tons heavy gate that a child could open previously with a finger and that it’s very simple the mechanism, I read someplace else that the gate has not worked exactly right since the replacement and no one could figure it out.)
In any case, some of the illusions that modern-day illusionists perform are stupendously similar, like seeming to make the Statue of Liberty disappear and Carbonaro’s illusions are even more stupendous than that in my opinion. I certainly do not understand how many of them are accomplished; do you, MSH? I understand about the sleight of hand with the cheese/meteor “transformation” and I also read on the internet about the illusion that I think, the illusionist, David Blaine, created about the Statue of Liberty disappearing and how it was done.
Further, in this vein, some years ago, it was a relatively cold and overcast day and I went outside the apartment building where I have lived for approximately 24 years now and I walked a couple of feet down the block and there was a very old, beat up trolley car like the ones that used to run regularly in our neighborhood long ago in the early 20th Century. It was parked on our block almost directly in front of our apartment building on the same side of the street.
The windows of the trolley car were broken and it had only bare, rusted wheels! How could it have gotten there?! It took up two parking spaces which there rarely are available on our block, especially not in front of our apartment building! Also, there was absolutely no one walking down the block which is extremely rare at any time of the day or night on our block, so I couldn’t confirm with anyone what I saw on the spot.
I went up close to the trolley car and looked inside it, but I didn’t touch it; I was afraid to! It was a disturbing experience but I proceeded down the block and went about my business. When I returned shortly after having left, the trolley was gone and two small cars were parked in the spot!
Sometime later, but not too long after, I mentioned that I had seen it to my friend and neighbor who lives in the same building and she told me that she saw it too. To be as objective as possible, though, that woman tends to exaggerate wildly, to misunderstand the meaning of my communications often and to become offended by them, and she out and out lies at times which I have caught her doing, so I don’t know what to think!
One example of this woman’s lack of understanding, which just came from lack of experience, is that when I was giving an encomium on how wonderful I felt my ex-married lover was as a person (and I still think this; I’ve never met a better man except my male relatives and I’ve had a good deal of experience with all races, religions, etc. of men in my lifetime both platonically as friends, and romantically and sexually) she couldn’t believe that he loved his wife AND me, when I told her, repeatedly that I couldn’t imagine him staying with his wife if he didn’t love her with him being the man I knew. Finally, she told me why she believed this, which was because she once knew a man who had a mistress and who told her that after meeting his mistress that he fell completely in love with the mistress and felt nothing for his wife anymore, so she figured that ALL men feel that way.
Also, most people cannot imagine being able to love more than one person romantically at a time or that one must always choose between any contenders for one’s affections. My mother had a very successful 40-year love affair with a married man until she died in 2006 who never left his wife or his family although he spent holidays with us and our family. And don’t get all sanctimonious on me about adultery! I’ve never had a sexual affair with or even kissed on the lips a married man to my knowledge, in that people often lie about their marital status, although I certainly would have more than once if it came to that. Also see polyamory on Google. Also, once my neighbor understood that my married friend still felt love for his wife, I could see her attitude change negatively toward me to match her limited viewpoint!
I think this is enough for now on all of this. I hope this more than answers MSH’ question. Ciao!
I wanted to say that the organization MUFON seem to be serious investigators from my experiences with them, although my experiences with them have been brief. They respond in a timely manner and they underpromised and overdelivered the services they said they would to me. They were unable to help me with my specific request, but were sympathetic and as helpful as they could be talking with me on the phone for almost a whole hour last night.
MSH seems to be the same, meaning serious about being at least logical and objective, from what I can see to date. I thank both for this!
Please see also:
http://it.famousio.com/videos/Transfiguration+Medium
and
https://www.google.com/search?q=Meister+footprint&oq=Meister+footprint&aqs=chrome..69i57.23767j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8
Explanations, please? Thanks!
http://www.factfictionandconjecture.ca/files/meister_footprint.html
Just statistically speaking the probability of there being alien life is overwhelming. I would wager the proverbial “farm” that there’s alien life!
That’s actually the problem, though. Others say the math in support of the idea (e.g., the Drake Equation) is utterly contrived. The rare earth hypothesis and things like the Fermi paradox aren’t fazed by the math argument. The honest answer is who knows (and, less comfortable, how could we know, given the vastness of space)?
Yes, MSH,there is so very much we can’t know, I know that, genius or not, there’s very much that I honestly can say that I don’t know!
The problem with most people, I find, no matter who they are, what they are in reputation for, their social positions or levels of education, wealth, etc. (and I’ve spoken or communicated directly with at least four Ph.D.’s, all males, all four in the sciences (and I have some of the e-mail exchanges to prove what I say), who also seem to suffer from this problem and that is lack of any true objectivity and any true understanding of the difference between the words “knowledge” and “belief” and seem to think that the two concepts are interchangeable, again regardless of the level of these people’s education or at least that’s what their conversation evinces to me.
First of all, no one really seems to know how to define her/his terms which is really necessary. It doesn’t matter if the words or terms one uses are the same as the conventional ones, but it IS incumbent upon us to explain EXACTLY what we mean by the words we use to our interlocutors or audience or listeners. It’s like when measuring something in the physical world, are you using the meters or feet, quarts or liters, miles or kilometers, pounds or kilos, the Reaumur, Fahrenheit, or Celsius for measuring temperature, etc. The problem is that when I question people about what they mean by some of the terms they are using, they really don’t themselves and most people let their words choose their meanings rather than the other way around.
Another problem is that once one has believed something for a very long time and then someone comes along and just tells these people something that they find revolutionary to even think about (!) it is very difficult for said people to change their previous beliefs! This happens in scientific circles all the time with people fudging data to make it fit into what they want to believe and harassing the scientists with the revolutionary concepts or ridiculing them until it destroys the revolutionary thinking scientist’s careers and in some cases lives; two examples of this is in the case of the scientist who understood germ theory and Michel Gauquelin who statistically proved some tenets of astrology known as “The Mars Effect,” the latter of whom reputedly committed suicide because of being hounded so viciously by his colleagues!
Another example of this type of thinking is almost all religious thought (and the religious fanatics who hold it!) which has become hidebound and way too literal in its interpretations over the years and is followed slavishly with very little logic or thinking involved.
One Muslim man whom I’ve know told me when I told him that I wouldn’t cheat him during of a financial transaction that we were making at the moment that he wouldn’t cheat anybody because he believes in God so he is not as tempted to do that sort of thing! He then went on to tell me that he doesn’t hate atheists (! how generous of him, NOT! I guess he felt he needed to say this to let me know that he is not a terrorist and is not going to blow any of us heathens up although I am not an atheist, but I also don’t belong to any organized religion because I don’t need it and don’t see the point!)which statement implied that he thinks he’s somehow better morally for his belief in his God than Atheists are, which former is not true to my reckoning.
Another Muslim friend of several years had some pamphlets in his pharmacy to explain and I suppose promote the tenets of Islam and the Koran so, I took a couple because I wanted to see what they had to say about it although I took a course about it in college on Islam and other religions and I have some other knowledge of this august religion as I do of several others (I have no college degrees whatsoever, by the way, only a high school diploma, although I have about 60 college credits and have been drummed out of many colleges for espousing such views as these as I have been from many places; one man told me that he was ALMOST expelled from a “Christian” college for thoughts he confided in me about being an atheist which he learned very early on not to say too often, but learning which lesson I am impervious to! As some famous writer, I think it was, Kafka, purportedly said or wrote, and I consider myself a writer and am well-published including in the New York Times, a writer’s job is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable!) One of said pamphlets opined, as it says in Genesis, and I quote from the Koran, “Then We revealed to you [Muhammad], ‘Follow the creed Abraham, a man of pure faith who was not an idolater.'” Koran 16:123
All the rest of that notwithstanding, who is “We?” Who revealed this to Muhammad? When I asked my friend this, he, of course, did not know, but tried to cover and said, “That’s how they used to talk in the old days!” I then asked him how they could legitimately change what God, who is singular, to my knowledge, supposedly said into the way the writers of the Koran wanted to say it? Also, if God doesn’t know the difference between the use of the plural and singular pronouns, “we,” and “I,” then he’s not worth his salt as a God I don’t think.
One Jewish friend who was like a brother to me I had known him so long, whom I asked what the “We,” in Genesis referred to could only quote me, Rash, a famous commentator in the Talmud who suggested that God included the angels in his comment and that that’s who the “We” was supposed to be. Was this supposedly before or after the fall of the evil angels? Did this include Lucifer, etc.? These questions remain unanswered. And what did the angels have to do with it anyway? Supposedly, they are soulless beings who can only obey God’s orders except again for the fallen angels, including Lucifer, who disobeyed! Very contradictory and confusing, indeed.
Another Jewish man told me that his sect, black jews, the originals, of which he seemed quite proud, have no name but are “a way of life,” when I asked him what they call themselves. He also told me they are on a mission. When I asked him what this mission is, he told me that it’s to convince everyone that there is only one God and some other stuff I don’t recall. I think they’re going to have an exceptionally hard time completing that mission especially since they can’t even check their voice mails regularly and leave them full for days on end so that no one can leave any more messages and the man who told me this claimed he’s been married to his wife for decades, they have a lot of children, uses her middle name as his e-mail address, but had to ask her while I was talking on the phone to him what her middle name means when I asked him! You can’t make this stuff up! People are extraordinary with this illogic! It never ceases to amaze me!
Christian believers, ditto!
All this is to say that, with religious fanatical belief of all
stripes being some of the most impervious to logic, most people’s thought processes work that way, I find, no matter what they claim to believe. There are very few exceptions! I think that THAT is one of the main reasons why the world is in such a muddle, always has been and always will be until and unless humans just out and out destroy everything including themselves! I don’t feel very optimistic although I always hold out hope as long as there is life!
I just re-read my previous post and I see that there are many typos for which I apologize; I tried to proofread it before posting it but I guess I just went on too long; once again, my apologies. I also didn’t see any way to edit my post or I would have at least tried to correct the errors.