Nope. For those who’d like a longer answer, read on.
We’ve all heard people on radio talk shows go on and on about the “mysterious” elongated skulls from South America. There are those who say that scientists and scholars refuse to look at this evidence, or that the same are befuddled to explain them. Not true, and not true. These skulls are so well known that you can buy replicas of them-sold by medical supply companies for the purposes of studying the deformation. Here’s an example from this medical supply company:
Anthropologists have actually been publishing on these skulls since the 19th century. Here are two examples from the 1860s and 1880s (scroll down a bit in each from the top to find the beginning):
On the Cranial Characters of Peruvian Races of Men
Here’s a more modern analysis of the cause of the head deformation: skull binding. How do they know it’s skull binding? Because the devices used to bind the skulls have also been found by archaeologists.
Artificial Cranial Deformation at a Tiwanaku Complex (1995)
If you’re wondering, “Yeah, but what about Akehnaten and those weird skulls?” I already blogged that here, posting a 2009 medical journal article on this.<-->
your article does not disprove the alien theory, it only proves that the recent discoveries are nothing new and that some of the skulls could have been conditioned to look that way by humans. the question still remains, “why did humans all around the world, who had no contact with one another, all come up with this same ritual?” If you do some research, you will find that the tribes who performed skull-binding also have their entire culture geared around the worship of “sun-gods”, who were depicted to have elongated skulls. These clues certainly do not prove anything, but they paint a fairly obvious picture of what might have been a species not of this planet. UNfortunately, most people throw all logic out the door when these theories are mentioned, as if such possibilities are some form of new-age blasphemy.
Yes, these are the skulls of the nephilum, the giants mentioned in genisis and enoch. (a book in the psudopigrapha) They could be anywhere for the size of a human to 30ft! You can look at the excavations of their skeletons on google. These skulls could not be from skull binding because the skull capacity clearly exceeds that of a normal human. I can even picure a nornal cranium within this one, like a bubble within a bubble.
you need to read through the other posts in the “giants” archive on this blog. These “remains” have nothing to do with the nephilim, nor giant humans. Had you done any investigation as to who I am, I’man expert in the nephilim / Gen 6. I’ve taught the book of Enoch. I had to work with Enoch in my PhD dissertation for crying out loud. Please do a little research.
@max: please provide us with bibliography (real peer-reviewed material) that have the “same” rituals with the “same” results “all over the world.”
You are one of the most objectionable assholes I have had the mis-fortune to come across in along time.
I would guess that you are an american and have some pro-jewish agenda. I have strongly disagreed with sitchin but you are embarrasment to academia.
No one is in possesion of all of the correct interpretations of near east writings, and as such there are many areas whose interpretation is far from secure even if accepted by peers. You can find evidence to argue against every point you have made, but I notice that you, just like sitchin cherry pick your sources to fit your own paradigm.
Your feeble attempts to dismiss ancient astronaut theory is on par with that of a fifth grade student.
Ancient man has been obsessed with depicting humanoids who came from the sky. Mesoamerica is rife with such.
The human psyche likes to immitate it’s hero’s and saviours. Hence the binding of the skulls – You moron!
The only thing that you have said that is correct is that sitchin is wrong!!
I have just had my theory that US degrees are not worth the paper they are written on. Proven correct.
@Dr Shaun Goncho: I’ve approved your comment so that readers can benefit from the solid evidence and argumentation that you’ve brought to the table. Brilliant.
that second sentence makes you sond like hitler.
So, if one disagrees with someone else they are Hitler? Just idiocy.
FWIW, with regard to similar rituals elsewhere in the world, In Verlag Heinrich Scheffler’s ICH FAND DEN WEISSEN GOTT (In Quest of the White God) he shows the marked similarity between Mayan glyph symbols and Cretan ‘linear A’. The Maya themselves said they received their script from the White God Kukulcan. Perhaps other customs were adopted from these visitors from across the sea. Who can say?
The book doesn’t happen to actually give a citation reference (some text) where the Mayans “say” this does it? If so, please send it along to me.
Ken Yakovac: “the marked similarity between Mayan glyph symbols and Cretan ‘linear A’.”
You do know that the Cretan script is a thousand years older than the Mayan script, I hope? So please explain to me where it hibernated undetected for a millennium before somehow sailing bravely westwards to end up in the Yucatan etc.
As for all this alien stuff: if there is medical, scientific (Akhenaten, etc) or cultural (North & South American natives binding skulls) evidence that explains deformations, then I will sooner believe that than some “alien hypothesis” that there is no evidence at all for. Of course, you could provide me some evidence to make me change my mind :p
People across the world have practiced body deformations throughout all time. The Chinese to make women’s feet small and dainty, the Maori to get those pretty tattooos on their faces, Western women using corsets to get those wasp waists, various tribal peoples scarring their faces and bodies in patterns, etc, etc. And all to fill that culture’s special “beauty” criteria, and that is not even bringing in genetics (like the steatopygian people in Punt when Hatshepsut sent her expedition there).
(Sorry if my English is bad; it is not my native language.)
rember that if ur right an left lobe r closer u have less distance to travel between the two and the closer u get the less electro chemical waves u need to preform the same task as a “normal” brain.I instictively deduce that is the reason for mayans pictographs to be 4dimensional in apparance u put them in a topograpical mapping program and tell me they r not!it is the reasons for 4d structures in every society that practiced this art(egyptians-pyramids mayans-pyramids asians-pyramids etc.etc.etc.)there is more meaning to this than science can explain without integrating it with soul evolution!we r not the first highly evovled society and you dont have to take only science path to become one there are many ways to evovle we have chosen this one!the mayans and egyptian chose thiers to help modify the human race to reach higher points of evovulution,as well as attaining the highest they could reach!it may sound farfetched but i hear a tiny voice (saying ur right or wrong)when i set out to do something and it always turns out to be right even if the idea was so off the wall i ? its origin i know older races have heard those voices and prolly louder than we do!youll see soon enough what i mean
It is not possible to create more brain space or skull tissue. Prior to visiting this forum, I was under the impression that was common knowledge. I implore you to investigate more with less bias for the mainstream. After all, isn’t one who is skeptical of anything outside of the mainstream truly a proponent of it and therefore the opposite of what a skeptic is supposed to be?
skeptics are fine and welcome if they have intelligent arguments. Taking the word of Zecharia Sitchin over the words of the Sumerians themselves is something fools do.
I would like to know ho you MSH are so convinced that all of Sitchin’s work is nonsense. Aren’t you open to possibility or closed to any idea that humans and earth have been visited before. You must know that notables such as F Crick who discovered DNA structure, Einstein somewhat, Carl Sagan when stoned, and many other reputable scientists “believe” in panspermia. The idea that in Assyrian the word for Jupiter can only be Nibiru is a bit short sighted. Why is that dictionary true and the only interpretation? When it was written, scholars did not believe America was visited by Vikings. Nobody thought hybrid creatures could be made in the 1950s outside of sci-fi fans. The history of science changed over time and perception changes. if the scholars who created these dictionaries knew about more modern abilities and the plethora of stars and planets in ourt galaxy alone, they may have thought differently. until you come up with a Sumerian text that says “no aliens ever came and gave us ideas, and that zigarrut (sp?) was only a weather balloon stand,” then you must allow for possibility and stop creating fame by bashing those who raise questions.
“until you come up with a Sumerian text that says “no aliens ever came and gave us ideas, and that zigarrut (sp?) was only a weather balloon stand,” then you must allow for possibility and stop creating fame by bashing those who raise questions.”
Is not the burden of proof the responsibility of the contender? Now who’s contending here?
You are correct. This quotation is easily one of the most ridiculous comments on the blog. Readers will enjoy it. So…by this logic (produce a text for what DIDN’T happen and I’ll believe it didn’t happen), I need to produce a Sumerian text that SAYS Spongebob Squarepants didn’t travel back in time to Sumeria and help them build ziggurats. Crud. I can’t do that … so I guess it’s a possibility!
Folks, next time you hear someone who has had logic say something like “you can’t prove a negative” — please remember this comment.
The burden of proof is on the one making a claim. My claim is “there are no texts that say XYZ — here’s the website or bibliography for you to check.” Sitchin’s claim is that XYZ *is* in the texts.” Same method of validation. But let’s think — if I was right, if I wasn’t absolutely SURE that XYZ is not in these texts, how super-easy would it be to just look it up, find it, and prove me wrong.
Sorry, there are no Sumerian texts that have the Anunnaki on planet nibiru, or that have nibiru coming through our solar system every 3600 years (nibiru was an ANNUAL observation according to MUL.APIN, a SUMERIAN astronomical text), or that has nibiru as a planet beyond Pluto (those irritating Mesopotamian ASTRONOMICAL TEXTS [hint, they are about astronomy] only know planets as far out as Saturn.
What a wonderful lesson in illogic.
Either way you stand i’ve been searching for proof for almost everything essentially. What I do know is that i’ve seen no proof of ufo, 2012, god’s, bigfoot, etc…. However stating such a statement includes a degrees of backlash for example: We both realize there are star’s just as we can realize there is pebbles of sand. To have as many species of life on this planet alone,The estimated number of animals on our planet falls somewhere in the vast range of 3-30 million species (Erwin 1983, Wolosz 1988). And then on to star’s, Astronomers estimate there are about 100 thousand million stars in the Milky Way alone. Outside that, there are millions upon millions of other galaxies also! Now onto my point there is without a doubt life on other planets shear math provides enough % to be so. I don’t have an agenda don’t have a strong desire to prove or dis prove anyone’s readings, but there is life on our planet and off our planet and perhaps our planet is alive it self. Time magazine and other authors and several science based individuals have made there finding’s known. Take care MSH and if you find proof there is no life and were all alone in this planet, let me know i’d pretty much be surprised to tenth of tenth degrees.
yes – you’re the one that has the hard science in hand and everyone else has missed it or not been persuaded by it. And then you ask me to prove the negative. YOU are the one making the assertion — and a positive one (“there are aliens out there”). That is a provable or falsifiable assertion. That means (if we care about science and logic) that YOU have the burden of proof, not me. Let me illustrate. Here’s my assertion: “in great antiquity, around the time of the flood pigs could fly.” Anyone who can walk and chew gum at the same time would say “prove that / what’s your proof.” I apply your logic: “Prove to me it wasn’t so.” Since you can’t travel back in time to prove the negative, I can then walk away believing that pigs once flew. Wonderful.
Dr Shaun Goncho has a serious problem. I hope he is not exposed to young minds.
Mr Heiser thank you for your answers to all the tough questions. I dont know if God is real or if aliens are real. I cant explain why millions of people all over the world claim to have seen some sort of UFO but this whole idea about the oldest civilation known to man wrote about aliens really had me going. But thanks to you i am back to normal. Do you beleive in GOD??
Yes. Thanks for the reply!
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT SITCHIN IS WRONG,HERE,ALL OF YOUR LINKS..I THINK SHAUN GONCHO IS RIGHT,IVE SEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT THE ANUNNAKI TEXTS DONT REFER TO ACTUAL EVENTS..YOUR ATTEMPTS TO SHOW HOW CLEVER YOU ARE HAVE GOT YOU LOOKING,INDEED,LIKE A 5TH YEAR STUDENT..YES SITCHIN ATTENDED THE FABIAN SOCIETYS LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS & WORKS OUT OF THE ROCKEFELLER CENTRE BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN HE HASNT TRANSLATED THE TEXTS FAIRLY ACCURATELY..IE NOT DISSIMILAR TO KRAMERS OR MILLARD OR PARKS,KING,CAMPBELL,ALL THOSE GUYS..SORRY DID I LEAVE THE CAPS ON? DONT MEAN TO SHOUT
another one for the ignorance hall of fame. No, my site doesn’t prove anything — like when I show you how to search for references to the Anunnaki (182 of them) in Sumerian texts online, only to discover that none of the ET nonsense Sitchin says about them is real. But I’m guessing (just a wild guess) that you never looked. I love it when stuff like this is posted, since it will live forever on the site as a real-time illustration of why this blog (and my site) exists.
I see that you are trying to educate the public about your findings. I am always wary of people who seem overly interested in debunking others’ ideas. I keep an open mind and I think that is really the way to go when it comes to living one’s life. The tone of your website seems close-minded and fearful. When people’s ideas and beliefs are challanged people react in different ways; some look at new ideas with wonder and curiosity, others get angry and do whatever they can to debunk these new ideas. You fit into this second category. Still, a very interesting site. Gave me another perspective to plug into my reality!
These aren’t “my findings.” I’m just giving access to information — you know, instead of taking someone’s word for something (which would be propagandizing). If you want to understand why I do this, read the front page to my http://www.sitchiniswrong.com site. It isn’t complicated. I feel an obligation to say something about nonsense related to my fields of interest and expertise.
Hey, Mercury up there said this “It is not possible to create more brain space or skull tissue.” I had been asking that question each time I see the image of the elongated skull. Yes, you can tell the difference from a normal human skull being changed, but if the picture you gave us from that site that had the models is true, then there is a difference. I can’t find any medical reference to back up the fact that we do not make extra bone if the cranium is changed so if you do, could you please post it?
Thanks for your view point and clarification of many items such as the art work and Sumarian translations. It still does not prove there were alien visitors, but it does get rid of a lot of other stuff that is not properly documented.
Keep up the research.
As Joseph Goebbels said the bigger the lie the easier it is believed,it’s much easier to accept something as wild as Sitchin’s story rather than to do some reading and research and actually think,maybe they are afraid their head will hurt and stretch and become elongated.
Hey Msh, you blame Sitchin for being wrong, thats fair enough.
What do you think about the “theory” of ancient society(pre sumer) that lived on earth(didn’t initially come from space).
some call it atlantis for instance, but has many names, perhaps there was more than one.
If we look at history, the further we go back, the more traces we find of a rather advanced cilvillization. It is obvious that in ancient times man has had acces to knowledge which he shouldn’t (according to history) question remains how that knowledge was obtained.
Also an egyptian calendar of kings who ruled egypt, goes back much further in history than mainstream would acknowledge(pre-iceage)? 😛
have a look at ;
Magical Egypt: The Invisible Science(youtube)
sounds corny but have a look at it, even though it might be biased.
There are also other findings that are yet to be questioned, but i bet you can find them yourself if you wish.
it seems ofcourse far more logical(even better documented?) than spacemen coming down from the sky, but i still wouldn’t condemn that theory either.
Tell me what you think about it.
I think on one hand that ancient people were a lot smarter than we think, but on the other, we tend to filter that knowledge through our own technology and create mythical notions of Atlantis and other such civilizations. We’ve manage to take a single sentence in Plato about Atlantis and erect mountains of “untold truth” (read: speculation) upon it. Ridiculous to take a sentence and turn it into reams of material about the “secret knowledge” of Atlantis.
true true indeed, but that only comes from the wish to find out truth, but often truth is where you want to see it, and how you want to see it. It’s a fundamental flaw within interpretation and presentation thereof. Lately many books with the keyword “secret” have appeared, from all subjects of bodylanguage to psychology to archeology, and it may just be that it intrigues people more as long as it is labeled “secret” apart from that i doubt that there would be a notion of such secret civilization unless there was some partial truth in it. But then again, in order to find out the truth one has to interpret, and it’s hard enough to alone interpret something of our contemprorary society(a book or movie for instance), so fancy doing it on societies millenias ago :p
anyways here is a much better documentary by Graham Hancock. It doesn’t tune into secret knowledge so much, as more knowledge we were unaware of before;
Graham Hancock – Quest for the Lost Civilization (youtube) – it even contains arguments from different perspectives.
Ok, Sitchin has his theory which you find bogus: “sitchiniswrong.com”
So, either he was just completely off in his “research” or he is fabricating his theory for…? You pick the reason ($, fame, human error, etc.)
Bottom line: His work has brought a fascinating culture to the front burner to be discussed.
Now, I’m not saying he has it right. But, I do believe that it is worth considering that this civilization which appeared to accomplish such great deeds at such an early stage did have some type of intervention, godly or otherwise. They themselves claim it. And do not other distant cultures around the world also claim intervention?
Do you disagree with that?
Questions are: Are these societies to be taken at their word? Are such “advanced” societies who have made exceptional advances so rooted in “religious mythology”?
I have to ask myself whether the history of our own scientific discovery would have ever occurred if we had not pushed against our religious zeal.
In any case, I like the discussion! I teach my students that the possibilities abound. Never close your mind to what may be, until there is certainty.
Sorry, I don’t think either Mr. Sitchin or yourself have that one wrapped up yet.
Bottom line – his work has no basis in the ancient texts he says he can translate. It’s really that simple.
Does that also include the plethora of scholars which he sites in his books? Are they misquoted or in error also? Does he fashion their work to his theory, or are there really unanswered questions?
Just curious; can you translate ancient cunieform text?
Is his work an error in its entirety? Or, can it be said that he may have a different translation? Could he have made scholary errors; which sometimes occurs.
Do we really have to accept one view of the text as “truth”?
Bottom line – is it really that simple?
Bottom line – is there room to investigate further?
regarding that “plethora of scholars” – (a) most (basically all) of what he quotes them for is not in defense of his ET views — it’s in relation to other items he uses to make that argument (in other words, they aren’t agreeing with his conclusions; (b) give me some specific examples — I’m asking since Sitchin is notorious for giving half citations or no citations at all — very hard to check up on what he is actually quoting.
In short — give me a quotation by a real scholar that agrees with Sitchin’s alien views. I won’t be holding my breath.
yes, it’s *that* simple.
in regards to my last post about the bible… imagine a civilization on the rise after a bottleneck of mankind (perhaps after planetary nuclear destruction) 1000 years form now. what do you suppose they would think if they came across a partially preserved copy of Harry Potter, or any other work of fantasy fiction. they would probably most certainly come to believe that what these text are saying must be true. its no different for the bible. i am sure story telling and imagination arent inventions of modern civilization. i bet mankind has been making fiction since it learned how to talk. grow up.
your last post will never see the light of day. I don’t post comments with profanity in them. I entertained doing that, since it usually shows readers the intelligence level of the commenter, but I’ve tried to police that.
sir, you are fighting a losing battle. the reality is, that the purpose of elongating the skull was more than likely (based on similar historical examples) done to emulate something that had been encountered/seen before and was held in high regard.
this continued and in my opinion criminal denial of the obvious truth has got to stop. Social conditioning and these absurb religions have left us blind to the truth, which is written in stone all around us. For some insane reson, we continue to let these organisations (religions) steal money from the community and perpetuate a con, a huge contrived lie. there can be no denying that the oldest written text’s, tell a history of the planet, that whilst it does include a place called “eden” , an “adam”, a “flood” the great deluge and a number of other historical events that you find in many religions, the rest of the story is very different. As time has gone on, i.e 4000bc – 2011ad, the whole story has not only been twisted to suit various factions but significant portions have been ommitted. How on earth can you pick and choose from the witten text what is mythology and what is history.
I also am unsure why you bother putting your so called creditionals up as if they add any weight to your theory. again this is an example of society being conditioned to believing so called experts, when they put portray, what in fact is a theory as being fact. surely, if history has taught us anything, it is that there can be no fact, only the current accepted theory. And that changes like fashion.
I am convinced that no so called expert in any field will uncover the truth, the reason for this of course, are the preconcived beliefs and values they hold, these will always affect their reasoning process. This can occur at a subconcious level, the “expert” does not even know it is happening. there are in fact probably very few people on the planet, that would be open minded and self aware enough to actually develop a theory based on the true factual evidence.
you are obviously an educated man, instead of wasting your time debunking what I believe has been the most significant find of mankinds existence (stitchin’s translation of the summerian texts) and behaving like the spokesperson for the flat earth society, put that big brain of yours to some productive work, add something to the debate, instead rehashing the same old garbage we have been fed for the last 2000 years.
I challenge you to stop, forget everything you believe you know, and start again with an open mind.
as you start to understand the truth, try not to beat yourself up too much, as it is quite likely you will feel like an idiot, I know I did. As the truth starts to unfold to you, you will wonder how you could have believed anything else, but there is no deny the truth. it is a humbling experience and without doubt, a humble man is able to accept the truth easier. lets face it, it is very unnerving, when you first begin to realise that, hell, there could be some truth in this, and that just maybe, we have been genetically engineered by et’s. maybe we aren’t that unique and whilst we (humans) have a few redeeming qualities, we are really just not as special as we like to believe..
one thing is certain, the more I learn, the less I know…
P.S. my god doesn’t need a chariot, flaming dragon, wings, ship, giant bird etc.. to get from A-B.
Can you offer a single point of scientific data for your first paragraph? If not, this is pure bluster.
I read all of Sitchins books and I have also read “The Facade” by Michael S. Heiser as well as many other books by many different authors including Von Daniken and Pinchbeck to name a few.
I’ve also read the Bible and “The Book of Mormon”.
I’ve concluded that there was some kind of intervention of modern mans evolution thousands of years ago. I cannot pinpoint when this occurred because we really have nothing before the recorded deluge.
When you read these books it gives you an insight as to what the authors themselves believe.
As far as I’m concerned none of writings about God or gods or Sons of God or gods or even angels has anything in them that cannot be explained scientifically. Even the events in the fiction books on this subject can be explained scientifically.
Heisers book, “The Facade” lends us an idea of his religious beliefs and the most far fetched with regards to shape shifting aliens of demons however he wishes to call them and the way they’re still around today and have infiltrated the US government at the military level.
The new testament story of Christs birth even offers a star that is followed by 3 Magi. Using our modern man mentality we all know that this couldn’t have possibly been a star but as it was in the sky and was moving then it has fallen into the category of a UFO.
It seems rather odd that there exist on this planet so many pyramids and ziggurats all over the world dating from a time when there was supposedly no communication between the many continents where the buildings exist as well as the elongated skulls.
The stories seem to collaborate the visitation of superior beings teaching mankind how to live righteously for want of a better word.
I continue to read and re-read the bible as well as new material and the God described in the bible is not the God described by religious peoples with regards to immortality. Starting in the biblical garden of eden it seems that the tree of life was utilized by God as well as Adam until Adam was removed from the garden and denied access to this trees fruit which allowed extended life. In the passage it implies that God or the gods ate from this tree of life to prolong their life spans. As we all know Adams descendants enjoyed lengthy lifespans, this was more than likely due to the fact that Adam and Eve were eating of the tree of life in the garden prior to eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and being expelled.
I personally don’t believe in God the way I was raised to believe in Him. In other words the creator of the universe, omnipotent, etc, etc. In my opinion the creation stories only describe the creation of our local solar system and not the entire universe. I also believe that when these beings interfered with man kinds evolution they installed a back door to our brains that would allow them to communicate with us using telepathy as the records show that they invaded our dreams and sent visions as well as time lapses in some cases.
As far as the elongated skulls I don’t think that all of the discovered elongated skulls can be explained away as something the parents did in order to modify the shape of the head.
I will go as far as to say that some may even be the skulls of mixed breeds of man and some other compatible beings.
The biblical record of Sons of God or Ben-ha-Elohim commingling with the daughters of man is corroborated in the Sumerian cuneiform tablets. This leads me to believe that it occurred.
Dr. Heiser, I’m not going to site a bunch scholars on what I’ve written above.
I’ll just justify this by saying that all of this is what you call bluster and it is my opinion.
I will bear in mind as you should also that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink.
But its my story and I’m sticking to it.
By the way, if you’ve written the conclusion to “The Facade” I would buy a copy just like I bought a copy of T.F. for $20.00 as opposed to waiting for your blowout later sale price.
I also believe that we are currently living in the most interesting times in the history of this planet and that should we survive just a few more years we will witness an event that may help to clarify many the religious questions.
I once read that America has no real culture. American culture is its movies and other media. America likes to prepare its masses for what may be upcoming events using this media.
Have you guys enjoyed the escalation in end times movies we’ve witnessed in the last 20 years or so?
Like they used to say in the old movies just before it was over.
“Smoke’ em if ya got ’em!!!
Sit back and enjoy the show!!
Thanks for your time,
Dr. Heiser as far as I know there are three points that you make in debunking Sitchin.
1- Sitchins interpretation of the stellae VA 243
2- Sitchins Biblical interpretation of Elohim being plural for God
3- Sitchins translations of the cuneiform language
I cannot speak for items 1 and 2 but when I read Sitchins books it seems like when he writes about cuneiform translations he sites the original translators going back to the 1800’s.
I think what you mean to say is that he extends his speculation as to these translations.
I don’t believe everything Sitchin speculates but there seems to be a lot of fact involved in his writings.
I’m going to be very frank, the Baalbek site still baffles me.
There is so much that still remains to be discovered we must be careful taking sides and committing to any one belief or opinion.
Sorry to be a bother!!
you forgot the fundamental element: He literally makes up stuff – it’s not an issue of translation when material (his core ideas no less) are simply fabricated. All Baalbek means is applying technology like that of Wallington on a larger scale.
I just have to get this out there.
If I took you to a beach and pointed at a small fish by the shore and told you that that was the only fish in the sea, would you believe it?
Imagine me believing that this is the only planet in the universe with intelligent life on it.
Now considering the age of the universe and the fact that speaking scientifically man has only recently appeared on this planet, I mean considering even dinosaurs existed here for some 60 million years before becoming extinct for another 65 million years.
Now that being said, logic would tilt in favor of alien visitation before homo sapient sapient appears on this planet. I mean, with those odds. I would bet so. The odds seems in favor taking all into consideration of course with regards to ancient writings and all.
you’re depending on the blessed Drake Equation – you should think more seriously about it. Others have.
And your fish illustration doesn’t work, since I know by experience since earth biology requires more than one fish in a sea. The existence of our planet does not require the existence of others supporting life. And had you actually done some research on my views (see UFO Religions blog), you’d know I don’t mind if there are ETs. My point is that Sitchin’s ideas are bogus. And guess what? If there was another life-supporting planet inhabited by ETs, *that* wouldn’t support Sitchin either, since there would be no necessary correspondence. To use you fish illustration. If I discovered a second fish, that would not be proof that the fish are related, or that one fish caused the other.
Let’s check our logic next time.
I don’t know about your Wallington Technology explanation for Baalbek, it doesn’t satisfy my curiosity as to how those 1200 ton block were raised and placed precisely the way they appear.
I mean, lets say they used that practice to move them from the quarry, how would you explain how they were lifted to such heights?
it’s an issue of scalability, and his methods are scalable – he demonstrates that in the DVD.
LOL, I think you meant to say he made stuff up!! He’s gone man!! He’s in…Nibiru now!!!
You feel that you can justify Elongated Skulls with Skull Binding. But does the same logic apply to other discoveries (Giant Femur, Footprints etc) pointing out ot the possibility of existence of Giants ? These discoveries are spread across the globe and this link – http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giantsb.html has a good compilation of the same.
I would liek to know whats your take on this?
the giant bones you refer to have never been tested for human DNA. And footprints prove nothing (and many you’ll see on the internet were CARVED). “Across the globe”? I know of only 2-3 cultural settings for the elongated skulls.
The idea of other life supporting planets is nothing new and has been considered by many prominent scientists in the past. To quote a few:
Nobel Laureate Sir Francis Crick in a paper titled “Directed Panspermia” went a step further when he concluded that the first organisms or spores came from an extraterrestrial source not by chance, but as “the deliberate activity of an extraterrestrial society”. [Keep in mind that while our Solar System dates back only 4.6 billion years, the universe may have an age of 12 to 15 billion years, allowing for the appearance of life elsewhere at a much more leisurely pace than the shotgun approach on earth.]
Sir Fred Hoyle [New Scientist, 11-17-77] has said: “about four billion years ago life arrived on a comet.”
Lynn Margulis [as reported in Newsweek, 10-2-89] noted that many organisms, when faced with harsh conditions, “release tough little packages (“Propagules”) that carry genetic material into more hospitable surroundings.”
The Greek philosopher, Anaxagoras, about 500 B.C., believed that the “seeds of life” swarm through the universe, ready to sprout and create life wherever a proper environment is found.
no kidding – I have another blog called UFO religions which, had you read, you would know I know all this and don’t mind the idea that there might be aliens. But these skulls are not in any way proof of that.
Roughly 32 million years ago, a common ancestor of monkeys, apes, and Man appeared in Africa. Then about 16 million years later, Ramapithecus, a precursor of the Great Apes branched off the primate line, Proconsul. 11 million years later, about 5 million years ago, Australopithecus showed up with hominid aspects. Then around 4 million B.C.E., Homo erectus arrived to usher in the Old Stone Age. A gap appears from 1.5 million B.C.E. to 300,000 years ago, when there is little if any evidence of evolutionary-time-scale evolvement.
Then abruptly, circa 300,000 to 200,000 years ago, without any evidence of gradual change, Neanderthal arrives on the scene. A mere 100,000 years later, Cro-Magnon arrives, with this ultimate version of Homo sapiens sapiens probably having nothing to do with Neanderthals (in fact, the two lines of Homo sapiens probably lived side by side without intermixing).
Anthropologists are absolutely amazed at the modern species’ accelerated rate of evolvement. Both Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon appear much too quickly on any kind of evolutionary time scale. With tens of millions of years leading up to Homo erectus, there is simply no explanation for the abrupt and sudden appearance of neither Neanderthal nor Cro-Magnon Man. It’s a puzzle! The questions abound!
This lends some credence to the suggestion of ancient Sumerian texts that the sudden and very abrupt appearance of Neanderthals, Homo sapiens sapiens, and Cro-Magnon Man was due to a combined evolutionist-creationist event, equivalent to the direct intervention of God (or the gods) to directly influence the evolutionary process of man in some dramatic way…
none of this has anything to do with Sumerian texts — why don’t you read them instead of Sitchin? You’ll see that his ideas are not there. It isn’t any more complicated than that.
I’m not saying that Sitchin is correct and I’m not taking sides between you and him. I understand that he makes things up, all you have to do is look at his “Lost Book Of Enki” where all he does is compile his entire speculation from beginning to end.
The fish analogy I used wasn’t offered as proof that we’ve been visited its simple proof that life, such as ours or more advanced has to exist elsewhere just based on odds as in gambling, nevermind the drake equation.
I read somewhere something to effect that the absence of evident does not mean that the evidence does not exist it simply means that we don’t have it as of yet.
Going by what it states in genesis 6 and by what Egyptians state as to how they built the pyramids themselves but with the help of those who came from above and again how the sumerians described the anunnaki then I’m led to believe that we have been visited.
It seems like every time I turn around some kind of circumstancial evidence appears pointing in that direction. I read something about how we’re tracing our DNA and it seems as if only a small percentage of humanity links with neanderthal man.
And the 2-3 culture settings that you refer to for elongated skulls were not exactly neighboring cultures were they?
All I’m saying is we don’t have the answers. We can speak to all the scholars and many will even disagree with each other as they offer and adhere to differing theories.
I especially like the theory about how ice comets added all the water to this planet. How do we say? “C’MON MAN!!!!”
Some of the theories offered by accredited scholars border on the ridiculous.
With reference to the Wellington Technology idea that you offer as a possible explanation as to how the stones at Baalbek were placed where they are is unacceptable in my opinion. Had you I don’t think there is anything that can placed under a 1200 ton stone that won’t be crushed by the weight. I heard it said that even using todays technology we aren’t at a technological level to even build the machines to accomplish this feat today.
In the event anyone reading this would like to see these mammoth stones take a look at this:
Dr. Heiser I’ve read where you’ve written that Sitchin says things that go against even what the simerians wrote, it seems that many scholars including yourself dismiss explanations offered by the ancients. Its like you guys pick and choose what to believe when it matches your theories.
Regardless of what anyone believes about God or angels or Sons of God. They’re all aliens as it is written no where that they were born on this planet, and I offer this statement starting with Yahweh.
When Nineveh and other locales were dug up they discovered writings. Imagine whats been lost of undiscovered in those locales that are under the oceans. As in off the coast of Cuba or anywhere that we’ve found evidence of man made structures that are currently under water.
No one knows what happened here thousands of years ago, but all worldwide scriptures offers a glimpse of beings superior to man interfering with man on some level. From DNA experiments or co mingling sexually with offspring involved or just as advisors and teachers such as the case of the viracochas.
As an American I find it interesting that our accepted religions are look upon as divine and others are referred to as myths. Where do we draw the line?
The Jews quietly say that the new testament is a fantasy. But Sir Laurence Gardner wrote that Moses using his aramaic mentality misunderstood God at the mountain when he referred to himself as Eyah something or other in his I AM that I AM statement. What he really said was EA as in Enki. To tell the people that he was EA and they would know who he was. I don’t know hebrew so I can’t discredit Gardner but you may want to take a shot.
I offer that its all fantasy mixed in with some history and bad translations and understandings but I accept nothing as fact just as you don’t even though it is written in stone.
We have use our discernment and this subject really test you in that aspect on whats real and what isn’t.
But I enjoy it all, don’t get we wrong. I know you are a well educated person and I respect you as such. But there are many educated accredited people writing on this subject and I just get bits and pieces trying to put this picture together. I cannot afford to agree 100% percent with theories as they’ve been put forth. I have to create my own picture and I’ve made my opinion clear. We have been visited and interfered with on some level. Thats what I believe.
But tell me more. I enjoy the input.
I’m just not reading anything this long. Chop it up into small pieces if you want me to read it.
You haven’t told me if you have any explanation for the ‘Evolutionary Jump’… I’m just curious to know what you think about that…
Incidently, this also corroborates with Rico’s comment – “we’re tracing our DNA and it seems as if only a small percentage of humanity links with neanderthal man.”
I have some more arguments against evolution, as propagated by modern science. And i’ll be happy to elaborate if you care.
what evolutionary jump (be specific)? I can’t say I’m interested in pursuing evolution on this blog. If you are interested in the interface between human evolution and Judeo-Christianity, I’d recommend Todd Wood’s blog (a young earth geneticist) and the “Science and Religion: A View from an Evolutionary Creationist/Theistic Evolutionist” blog.
It was Carl Sagan who said ‘The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence’.
Man is not the most primitive life form in the universe as there is proof of this even on Earth, but it would be a foolish assumption that Man is the most highly evolved, or even to assume that all life must have 3D physical attributes.
One of Tesla’s experiments involving harmonics in part, ‘accidently’ caused the mass of objects to be altered. Tibetan Monks use harminics to lift large boulders of rock. Maybe this was how the stones at e.g. Baalbek and Egyptian pyramids were moved.
are there any actual real-time verified incidents where monks do this? I’d sure like to see the scientific verification of that.
it is my thought that we should not lose sight of the big picture…every idea will ultimately play a part in making this jigsaw puzzle complete…to discount any theory would be a huge disservice to us all…there is no right or wrong—just differences of opinion…all of it VERY intriuging to me…we are not as smart as we think we are, if we continue to be so baffled by clues and entire civilizations that were left before us—therefore, it is my ever so humble opinion that nothing should be discarded as nonsense…no one piece of this puzzle should be so disected and so over-analyzed that it no longer has a place in the overall scheme of things…this debate will continue to roar on, but the bottom line is that no one knows for sure…
i was told (on more than one occasion) that my mind is as vast and as void as the canadian tundra…probably very true, because i am not accomplished in sighting specifics—but i cannot discard anything in a world where anything is possible…
thanks for letting me share…
Its ok man, I’m rather long winded. I’ve asked a few friends to join this blog for their input.
just make it manageable.
Dear Mr Heiser,
Can we look forward to a sequel to your book ‘FACADE’ ? If so, When ?
at some point — best answer I can give now. Outlining it now. I hope to start into it this summer, but who knows.
I was not discussing Evolution as a standalone concept, i was just trying to fit it into the whole picture. I had already explained the Evolutionary Jump in my previous post. And my purpose in refrring to that was to suggest that there was some external influence in the way Humans have evolved from their primitive state. And thinking from that view point, its not hard to accept that there may have been intelligent beings, other than humans on Earth in ancient times.
But if you are a firm believer of the Evolution Theory , then you would not consider the discovery of anomalies like Elongated Skulls, Giant Bone fragments etc as proofs, you would explain them as the result of human experiments, and discount all other possibilities.
I consider *anything* that is grounded in reality. Please direct me to the actual DNA analyses of the items you bring up. If they are not real, they are nothing more than silly speculation. I don’t have time for “evidence” that really has not been studied or examined by real scientists.
Will look forward to the sequel…..thank you.
it always intrigues me how the word “evidence is used so loosely…it is only evidence if it supports a certain theory–otherwise is becomes “mere speculation”…ya can’t have it both ways!!!!
Just wanted to say that as a long time reader of Sitchin’s work, I was surprised and intrigued by your site. Did a lot of reading your PDF analysis, etc… Thinking to myself “Wow! This guy got something here!”.
Then I got to the bottom (comments) section here. It’s amazing that with just a few comments you could completely destroy your credibility by being such a prick. After seeing (reading) your attitude towards people who don’t fully agree with you, some of which only diverge from your beliefs very slightly, I’ve come to the conclusion that your just a prick who possibly has a personal vendetta against Sitchin. Jealously? Idk… Too bad.
Maybe spend less time on your website (Sitchiniswrong) and a little more time developing your social skills… Either that, or hire a PR manager.
Or you could always stfu and let your work do the talking you pompous prick. Lol
this is such a well-reasoned response, full of data to consider that confronts my positions. I’m impressed.
I rest my case.
Your positions? Of what? Being a prick? You want sources? Should I provide links to the specific comments in reference? Can you refute my claim that your a social misfit and a prick with a “well-reasoned” response showing me that you are happily married with a loving family? Highly doubt it. Loser…
another quality, data-driven response. Dear J-Red, it isn’t MY job to put forth data to defend your position; that would be YOUR job. And my responses are designed to get you to put up or shut up (or show yourself incapable of putting up — which you are accomplishing with aplomb). The great thing about the internet is that your incapability to produce real evidence will live here forever.
Good post by all of you.
i am amazed that all over the world we see over and over again ancient man telling the same stories, yes stithen gets carried away, but do you think ,i mean seriously that all these people that are from all different time eras and different cultures and different places all acrosss our planet could of all made up the same almost exact freaking story? over and over again and again from india china iraq egypt greece columbia mexico america , all these indians all these civilisations could keep repeating the same stories? its right there in front of all of our faces ,forget sitchin just look at the bible! i mean there it says and talks of the sons of god mateing with human woman! it is everywhere my friends, hopie indians incas aztec mayans egyptians greeks sumerians? i mean i did as you said and i still found the things i read very much the same old story! what are you doing ? so what sithens far fetched? big deal , i mean whats your goal man? kill sitchins ideas? go kill all ideas and all theories! i just find it hard to keep seeing many exsperts translateing the same story ove and over that someone came down fro the stars or from heaven or from a dimention and met us and taught us many things and sithins books are evil? or what? is he the only one saying these stories? or are they in the bible? exeikel ! begin at the first chapter whats he talking about? he he related to sitchin? LOL!!! i just care lesss of just one mans books but look at the biger story ,i tend to agree more with rico here. i guess and i guess you want to just say sitchins adding stuff in there< ok i agree, but man i did as you said and the things i read were still amazeingt to me!!!!!! all over the earth all people say the same thing. at one time these myths were a practiced religion, why is it the christian and muslim religion is considers real and its not also put as a myth, in time these religions may also fall into mytholagy!!!!!!!! we seem to be terrified to stand up and realize were under a godspell ,our parents claimed this or that was or is god and we are afraid of finding out the truth! and guess what the other possible truth is? if these stories are true then these gods or angels or astronauts are supose to come back right? well has anyone ever mentioned the possibilty they might not ever return?and that we are alone in the dark lost? trying to find out where we are what we are and where we came from? we might not even have any after life at all. i dont wish to accept this but its possible right? no one knows! so maybe we night have to create our own way to live forever? isnt that what exsperts are tying to do today ,i just read the cover of time magazine saying that man can live forever and they may of found the keys to the way to do so? maybe we are alone? maybe we are not? i do know that once upon a time we certainly were not alone! sitchin is only 1 of thousands of people that see theres an ancient wise beings that came from somewhere to earth and saw us and did all types of things with us and to us . ok you proof sitchin adds in stuff ok good job now what is next for you sir? move on. i think you can help us find out more with your knowledge instead of killing sitchens books. just my opinion forgive me. im lost trying to find my way home. Michael
Revelations 12:7-11 “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil , and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”
Jude 1:6 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
i just wanted to show this . i fond this interesting ,its not from sitchins books! thia from exactly where you think, and its all over that book how much do i need to print huh? seems like something sitchn would write tho? does it or not? well he didnt write it. niether did i.
its right out of the bibe.
has anyone read the book of enoch? huh? he sounds a little bit like sitchin too doesnt he?????
im not trying to be a smart alick here, im just saying if you like i can do this all day and night long with the bible and hundreds and hundreds of other books ! so who was this auther can you translate this stuff for me? tell me in hebrew then in english was the trranslations wrong here too? and in the book of jasher and enoch ? sounds like scarey stuff went on somewhere huh? yeah i know. and if its true? then what? well lets do this ok, i will keep finding crazy stuff like this that can realy scare the hell out of anyone thats a christian or muslim . but my friends this is all over the world in all kinds of books ancient and recent.
have i ever seen an angel? or God? have you? yet we all or many of us have had some kind of spiritual exsperience we cannot exactly exsplain ! yes? would you agree? ghosts or dreams that came true? i can tell you of the 9 11 dream of eagles burning and a whitgch doing it just 7 hours before the 9 11 attack ,how is that possible ,of course some of you know im telling the truth ,i am not getting into all the tiny details right here cause thats not the topic ,my point is that all of us have within us some kind of extra sense! a 6th sense and at one time or another out of no where something has happend to the majority of you on this site or you wouldnt be here in the first place searching or makeing points or asking questions. so who are we? how the hell have i had so many strange things like the dream happen to me, come on imnot alone here, this is real.
theres something inside of mankind thats pure power and purely limitless! is it so hard to think that the bible events above didnt happen are wont happen? are these angels inall religions old and modern? are dreams old or new? do i need to talk of being awake for days and suddenly out of know where i just knew something was in a certain place that i lost a week earliar out doors and i could go to that remote area and locate it! hey man this happens to us all in some way or another,please tell me im not alone here> i saw a man that killed himself 5 days after he was dead? how? it was clear and se thru, and i gave the discription of this dead man to people that knew him ,cause i never met him and then they showed me his photo ,how did this happen ? it was the same clear see thru figure of a man i saw ,again this happend after sleep depravation and lttile food dureing an emotional time of depression and fear ,but it happend. tell me we are not made up of some kinda of super hidden powers deep within our brains or our souls? come on lie to me ,or call me a liar.so whats my point? we have powers within us that we know little about,where did they come from? tell me none of this knida things never happend to any of you? sitchin? lets answer questions here forget sitchin.
leave him alone. where does the power come from thagt men like bruce lee had? or edgar cayse? is sitchin the only one talking like a nut ? or is the bible nuts too? and enoch too and the book of thomas thats been taken out of the bible also along with enochs book? erick vondankin ah i think i spelled his name wrong. any way i know we must of been made by something way more greater than ourselves, just seeing the design of a snow flake one can see this.ok im just a nut , right.
i guess , i also want to say i dont understand the whole anti sitchin site! why have you not posted on the things you have found and what have been led to beleive from them ,why cant you make a site that says this is what i think and what i get from the sumerian tests of ancient times? why are you to just destroy someone? sitchins just an out rite liar? well i dont respect the way you do it even if he is a liar if you had your own site of your own research and someone put a posting on it and mentioned sitchin and you responded by saying sitchin was a liar then i would accpt some of your views much more but i dont like you at all sir because you make an anti site against someone you use his mistakes to make money and self pride? you went about this the wrong way my friend!! you should of just simply posted my name is so and so and i am an exspert in the sumerian ancient writeings and this is my findings? why make money useing this guys findings opionions or misatkes? or lies of his? or does any one here see what im saying man? why come into the whole picture with the whole sithin is a liar.com thing?
this was not the right way to enter into the picture. you could of made your money and your story told of your findinjgs you didnt need to steal fame from sitchin to do it!!!!! you used him to glorify youraself, bad idea brother! man that reay stinks boooooooooo! thumbd down pal ,very unkind rude mean cruel selfish nasty ugly and sick.
you probably are a real jerk to hang out with looking at it too and a all around negative guy. ashame cause you do have some exspert knowledge but i think the guy that might of said an american dgree you got isnt as meaning full as others from other countries, might have a point i dont know but its odd that i keep finding all kinds of crap in history books as well but i still wouldnt make a martin lutherking is a liar .com site or a john f kennidy is a liar .com site or any was a liar .com site. i would do my own research if i were you, but im not you , im just a man trying to find his way back to where i came from, doesnt anyone see how lost we truely are as people and the only things we truely have in life is each other and love. and a little bit of time to love each other instead of hate.com or lets fight.com let my every thought be that of love my every word be that of love and my every action be that of love.com would be better. but i too fall into fighting and argueing ,i too fall short of the glory of walking in the path of love but i notice amazeing things happen in my life when i surrender myself to the inner feelings i have of love for the universe and all liveingthings i give time to all the lonly people i see and the homless forgotton one and all the children i meet and the 6 kids i take care of. to live helping others and loveing all that i can is the only peace i have found sitchin and none of the ancient texts in your views or his or mine give me what love gives me. could the personality of buddha or the christ been made up? a personality that makes so much sense that when you try even just alittle bit to follow what these great men have said about love and not craveing selfish desire and surrendering to the inner true self , a special thing starts to happen within us! we become free of anger hate and pain. die of this worlds material things and we are lifted up into a higher awareness level. Krishna also said many many things that make so much sense and we also have the mysterious Lao Tzu and Confusious. and there are many more. these men were the most interesting to me not sitchin or you cause you men make money off this ,they did it all free! all for us! and they all died doing it. they all dedicated there lives to others not themselves and they are not forgotton for this reason alone! you and sitchin will be forgotton about im afraid not because your an idiot or because he or you are or night be wrong only because you did thids for money not for the people of earth! unlike these teachers you are full of yourself and they were emty of ego. they were emty so they became full ,full of radiant love and light, a force that i think moves the planets around the sun. not enki or enlil but rather the power of loveing others more than yourself . in saying all this i must say im sorry if i hurt your feelings i now regrete being so honest ,and saying what i feel cause i think i hit a home run here and thats my ego talking but if look closer i can see my ego and i can also see where i struggle to become like the great ages of old, walking in the light of and path of love. unconditional love shinning sunshine upon all liveing things. forgive me for being so hard on you, i guess im wishing to say please dont do this any more please erase sithcin is a liar .com and do your own site about you and all you know to be true and ill join it in your behalf. even better do it and dont sell anything for money,how does that sound? impossible to understand what im saying huh?
now are you going to cut out all i said? i see my postings are waiting moderation sign? whats that all about? ah? i see whats going on ? this one too shall be erased huh?
it’s called being busy, doofus.
the moderation thing? is that to screen out what is said? or to cut out what you dont like? or to shorten things? whats its purpose? it is at this moment a bit disturbing to me. i also knowticed that i cannot send what i have to say to anyone else on your siter we are cut off from one another interesting cause ive seen sites where i can post and its not shortend or edited and i could click on others names and talk to anyone on the site here i am totally ay your mercy. huh? well we will se what you do with all i said ,at least i know you shall read it .
i see here that you done alot of your own work, i apolagize, i will take a longer look at this, i went to fast. but i still dont like the sitchins wrong site, lets see now all you have to say ,its only fair
Sitchin made grammatical mistakes, thus the ancient astronauts theory is wrong… nice logic… not
I keep wondering why people can’t read my site. The point is not grammar. The point (for about the 100th time) is that **what he says about nibiru and the anunnaki CANNOT BE FOUND in the texts.** I show people how and where to find the occurrences of these terms, and ask them to read through the occurrences. Why? Because I think they know Sumerian grammar? No (and, “duh”). It’s because I want people to read for themselves that the Sumerian texts do not describe the anunnaki as coming from nibiru (or any planet), that nibiru is something seen **every year**, not a 3600 year cycle; that the anunnaki are not associated with nibiru IN ANY WAY – ever – in the tablets. etc. etc.
before you think you’re scoring some logic points, READ THE SITE MATERIAL.
Hey, just came across this site through a bunch of random links trying to find more information about the “Anunnaki,” which a friend told me about. Reading this site and the comments on this page made me realize how important the skeptic movement is and the good work you’re doing. I had no idea so many people believed these sorts of things! I’ve dealt with crazy ridiculous beliefs in the religious realm a lot but this is new territory for me. Although I guess they all boil down to the same thing (believing claims that there is no evidence for).
Keep up the good work!
I have been looking for evidence that the conehaeds had larger brains than normal, and I can’t find it. I fact I can’t find anything one way or another. What have you guys found out? And is there evidence that cradle boarding or other head tweaking can cuase the brain to increase in volume?
I’ve never seen anything to suggest it, either.
a complementary note on sitchin [this apart from his possible desires for profits] He may believe
his theories, creating for himself and for others an alternate reality to believe in.. influencing
people which are dissatisfied with the reality we are living in.
All this process of creating new realities is natural specially for strong minds being able to influence others, however this process could be labeled occult each time it contains outright lies., it becomes unatural when it start conflicting with the truth.
I tend to think he did believe it, though I have had “insiders” in the conspiracy / ET lecture circuit say very nasty things about Sitchin’s motives (anything from money-grubbing to being a tool of some Illuminati group). I think self-delusion is more likely.
thanks msh…keep up all your truthful works.
God keep you.
thanks – I had to laugh at the Hovind note!
i came here to be enlightened.instead i see bickering of old men.sad.i don’t think anybody is right or wrong.Furthermore i think sir MSH is a little cocky.but that’s neither here nor there.PROOF keyword.for the non believers and believers.Everyone submit your proof before your allegations please. also,is that a donation button there??wow. happy hunting truth-seekers
No one is right or wrong? Now there’s a lesson in logic.
what i am most intrested in about aincient culture is body mod and there difrent value but the elongated heads realy atract me and the notion you get difrent brain functions seems it has to be so but if you get more brains idk what about the bird seed test like they did on the star child skull and the human skull were star child held 1n a half more that there brain was biger it was a deformity said by our aothority figures but with more brain room could you not do that with elongated skull as well
If anyone will ever notice, Mike never gives conclusive evidence for his findings, rather he regurgitates evidence backed by other thinkers, for whom of which could be scrutinized for their bias findings as well. If any person here was reading the blogs you would have seen this post:
Mike reid Says:
18 August 2010 at 10:25 PM.
Mr Heiser thank you for your answers to all the tough questions. I dont know if God is real or if aliens are real. I cant explain why millions of people all over the world claim to have seen some sort of UFO but this whole idea about the oldest civilation known to man wrote about aliens really had me going. But thanks to you i am back to normal. Do you beleive in GOD??
22 August 2010 at 4:05 PM.
Yes. Thanks for the reply!
Now how you take the opinion of someone as bias as that? A person who talks about logic and follows an illogical faith. Now ordinarily I would not attack someone who believes in higher entities, yet this irrational bedfellow constantly berates people and their opinions and scoffs at their approach, despite however improbable their statements or ideology. He cast me out from his Sitchin forum because he could never directly answer some pertinent questions I had about the tablets and knowledge of Celestial bodies. Most quasi-punduits of knowledge always brace for the logic script, without ever lending credence to the lack thereof in pre-dawn civilization. And they will quote some author or Doctor for whom cast only a one-sided opinion or scope and they embrace it as their own ideology and broadcast it as the gospel; the end all on the subject or subjects.
Instead what you will find Mike doing is rather methodically ostracisizing people for their views, simply because they do not elaborate his own and showers down praise to those that do. He will say over and over, I am busy, I have a life-check my Sitchin site! So on and so forth. I have yet to see Mike truly engage in a conversation or debate in which he actually debates fact from fiction without copping-out with a statement of “illogical-argument” and awarding someone to a hall of fame for idiots. For all this man and his grandeur, have anyone ever heard of him and his accomplishments in his field of study, what paramount breakthrough has he contributed to society and all factors of knowledge? The answer is none. So he is so self-predicating and self-absorbed that he involves himself in a forum of debate over “mythology”, for which he postures himself to debunk, through logic and science and yet he continues to follie his own beliefs by enterating slight retorts and absurd attacks, without ever truly debating the subject.
He is a feeb, amongst feebs! And he knows it. To all, check out his Sitchin Blog and despite if you agree with me or not, look at his response and lack thereof. And see for your self, what this, man, is truly made of, if you can call him as such .
What I do is simple. When people make ridiculous claims (like ancient astronauts), then the burden is on THEM to produce actual evidence for such claims. I therefore: (1) insist they produce such evidence; (2) insist they use sound logic when talking about evidence and drawing conclusions. This isn’t rocket science, and there is no mystery. I don’t need to argue FOR anything when someone else is making a claim. If they don’t want the claim evaluated, then they should not make it. How simple is that? We’ve now hit the ten year anniversary of me asking (publicly, before an audience of millions on Coast to Coast AM) that Sitchin and his followers produce actual tablets and tablet references for his alien ideas. Guess what? Nothing offered to date. Hey Gregory, maybe you can fill the gap where your mentor failed. I won’t be holding my breath.
Mike, my friend, I truly am not a Sitchin follower. I try to pride myself on following my own instincts and intellect. Fundamentally, Science is always on the button and can be replicated through method. However, every now and again, something extrodinary baffles and rocks’ the foundation of scientific theory and knowledge. Einstein, a man for whom we can all agree, far exceed our own intellect said in many quotes, void of each other and they list as follows.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.”
“Imagination is more important than knowledge.”
“The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.”
“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”
and he also says, “For everything we think we know, we know nothing at all.”
So yes Mike I will conclusively agree that mankind essentially is daft and easily pursuaded; it is a fault of our being. However, I find that people who do not promote convential thinking on Outer-World contact, influence or representation, are quick to debunk evidence put forth, however I have yet to see any person likewise to prove that their is an absolute fact that what people are learning and experiencing is a myth and part of a grand delusion.
As for my your comment about filling in the gap where Sitchin could not, I truly have no remark to such an inane statement. My last post was only pointing out the fact you tend to elude debate and you are real crafty at absconding the point or question by overtly stating your methodology and your public appearances, purportedly begging for Sitchin followers to correct you.
Fine and so be it Mike. I will chalk my older post on the Sitchin DNA portion of this Site, as I was not astute enough to grasp and underlining factor or point and that perhaps I am too stupid to grasp the obvious. I will choke that down, for this simple request and statement.
We are no longer going to refer to Sitchin. We are on a completely different scope now. “We are pushing reset now.” We have a new scope of conversation and idealism.
We proof have you that there are no other forms of intelligent life ?
What proof have you that any intelligent life forms have not visited or that are not visting Earth to this day?
Very simple, very layman’s in terms.
Let us start a true debate, of course, unless, you are scared of being bested by a person lacking a college pedigree, such as yourself. I truly want to end this never ending discussion with mindless statements.